23-09-2004 18:14									#1
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I'm just using CivCity for the first time
I love it



All hail Gothmog!

	23-09-2004 21:46									#2
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All hail Gothmog's scenarios as well: they are amongst my favourites, particularly Brown Man's Burden and Struggle for Empire.

I know he hasn't posted here in years but is anyone still in touch with him?

	23-09-2004 21:49									#3
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Nah, me not, we exchanged a few mails years ago...
Hm... Perhaps I should play the scenarios You've mentioned. Since my studies, I don't play that much scenarios

	23-09-2004 22:25									#4
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Gothmog.

His utilities revolutionized designing scenarios for me. He was no mean scenario creator himself either. I really enjoyed his Algerian War scenario.

	24-09-2004 04:25									#5
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Absolutely Gothmog! His utilities were a revelation to scenario creators. And his "Age of Justinian" is one of the best scenarios EVER MADE!

	24-09-2004 04:41									#6
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I loved Brown Man's Burden.

	25-09-2004 09:12									#7
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I realized the depth of my addiction to CivCity last summer, when I tried to add multiple maps to El Aurens. Became utterly daunted when I realized all those cities would have to be edited from within ToT.

So many, many belated thanks from afar, Gothmog.

	27-09-2004 03:47									#8
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Uh...
CIvCity, I have problems with it...
How can I contact Gothmog?

	27-09-2004 04:17									#9
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What is the problem? Maybe someone here can help if you describe it.

	27-09-2004 04:43									#10
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Indeed!
Gothmog is one of the great pioneers!

	27-09-2004 05:10									#11
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quote: Originally posted by our_man What is the problem? Maybe someone here can help if you describe it.

Well, I took the effort of altering the commodities of each of a pair of hundreds cities of my scenario...
And it doesn't work!
In the CivCity itself it's OK. When I enter my sav, and give the trade tech to the players so that I could see the trade commodities, they are completely different than the ones there are in CivCity
Do getting some tech alter trade commodity?

	27-09-2004 12:31									#12
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I assume you mean trade routes?
Did you tick them? this way they become active...

Also, was it the correct save or scn file you edited and opened?

	27-09-2004 16:37									#13
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I did tick them, of course (save and next city)
It was a save that I attempted to change

	01-10-2004 22:47									#14
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Strange. I wanted to make an experiment.
I opened the sav, and opened civcity.
I gave trade tech to all civs and saved the game
and then, clicked on Aden city and told it to save.
But it's told me that external changes took place (my saving of the game), and it crushed,
and when I opened the civcity again, Aden had the same trade commodities in civcity and in the game sav, while the rest still not
- and You could not change that by civ city.

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	02-10-2004 03:18									#15
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The trade commodities are determined by a complex formula depending on terrain and amount of time/turns passed (the commodities and supply/demand change over the course of a game), - someone in the strategy forum once worked it out.

I've never had real success with using CivCity for this purpose. Better check out that article, it was very lengthy and detailed, but I've forgotten the link (someone posted it in this forum a long time ago).

It deserves to be in the league's tips section. (this goes for many of the good strategy pieces, that are mostly overlooked by scenario creators).

	02-10-2004 05:05									#16
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"How Supply and Demand Lists Are Determined" is very detailed, but shows that 'designing' a cities default commodities is a painstaking business that may compromise your terrain choices. CivCity can change the starting ones (though I don't know what causes the bugs), but they will change at intervals in the scenario.

Another useful thread from these master reverse engineers is "Calculating Caravan and Freight Delivery Payments"

	02-10-2004 06:19									#17
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There's some pretty classy work in those threads, Boco. That Samson bloke deserves some kind of medal for those efforts.

	02-10-2004 06:20									#18
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	02-10-2004 07:24									#19
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You do realise commodity names are changed via rules?

	02-10-2004 07:27									#20
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And how do You think I've changed them?
Of course I do.