25-09-2004 03:26									#1
	City-Planner Poll 1895 Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

We have achieved a glorious Workers Revolution! Our cities are now properly in the cooperative management of the true sources of production and liberty. So, what should we emphasize in our efforts? What is most useful to us at this special time in history?

Is it shields, gold, or research?

	25-09-2004 10:13									#2
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Cash.

We need the money to build improvements and tanks.

	25-09-2004 23:24									#3
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We only give up 6 gold per turn by maximizing our shield production (gaining 17 shields without causing revolt). I vote for shields.

	26-09-2004 05:20									#4
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Okay. I haven't tried increasing the others, so we can go with that.

	28-09-2004 20:45									#5
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Sorry I missed the poll.

You can't max shields (much more) because of happiness problems but a little tinkering is possible in the smaller cities. Taxes seem better than Science. In the future, getting Fundy would end the happiness concerns + add a bit to total tax receipts.

Monk

	28-09-2004 23:40									#6
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Fundy would be great, but it is unavailable at the moment.

	29-09-2004 00:12									#7
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quote: In the future, getting Fundy

Yup. In the future, and right after Espionage would be my choice. We still have time for the Nuke option if it becomes necessary. Spies are cheaper than any other unit we can muster and they can sabatogue or poison in a pinch.

Monk

	29-09-2004 00:39									#8
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Nukes have a larger launch radius, though, and are easy to transport between towns.

	29-09-2004 03:26									#9
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That's not the angle I was considering in writing that statement.

I do not think it prudent to get in a nuke-off with our much more powerful rivals, at least not just yet. If we can keep the nuclear genie in the bottle, so to speak, for a while longer, then I think we will have a better chance of prevailing in the end.

On the other hand, two spies can usually "sabotage" a ship to the bottom of the sea; this for only 60 shields, a relative bargin.

Monk

	29-09-2004 03:29									#10
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I suppose that if we are discussing nuking the Celt SS, we have effectively abandoned our concerns about our reputation. LOL!

And I agree we have to be prepared to use Nukes!

	29-09-2004 03:42									#11
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I want to amend my stement to clarify that Nukes should be a last resort. While we may be forced to it in case of a SS, we would likely get seriously nuked in return.

	29-09-2004 03:47									#12
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How can the Celts nuke any city of consequence?

Sure, they take down a city size 3. Big whoop.

As for the reputation concerns, it is very easy to get the celts to go to war with us. All it takes is for them to sever our alliance.

	29-09-2004 03:49									#13
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quote: On the other hand, two spies can usually "sabotage" a ship to the bottom of the sea; this for only 60 shields, a relative bargin.

True, but the ensuing civil war after the fall of the Celtic capital, ensures that we will not be the primary target of any nukes that the Celts have.

	29-09-2004 03:51									#14
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Losing Apolytonia would be a serious blow to our resources aside from the fact it is our Capital

	29-09-2004 04:05									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi True, but the ensuing civil war after the fall of the Celtic capital, ensures that we will not be the primary target of any nukes that the Celts have.

I have never seen this happen. Nuking any city only reduces it by half. They would have to lose their Capital AND have less than 1000g to get a civil war. Am I dreaming these details?? If so, ...never mind.

quote: Losing Apolytonia would be a serious blow to our resources aside from the fact it is our Capital

This would be a whoop, I think.

Monk

	29-09-2004 07:58									#16
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"This would be a whoop, I think."

Umm, I don't understand this one.

	29-09-2004 11:04									#17
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Sorry, cb.

Ben had said, just before your qoute, that losing a size 3 city was no big whoop. Therefore, it follows that losing our Cap would be...a big whoop.

It seemed kind of humorous at the time....

Monk

	30-09-2004 20:39									#18
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Understanding the context now, I agree with your statement. Yup, that would be a whoop, all right.

	30-09-2004 22:23									#19
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quote: Nuking any city only reduces it by half. They would have to lose their Capital AND have less than 1000g to get a civil war. Am I dreaming these details?? If so, ...never mind.

Ah, I forgot the 1000 gold requirement.

Yes, they could relocate their capital.

In any case, if they reduce their former capital to rubble just to deny us a Celtic city, then we will be okay.

They are not in range of Apolytonia, unless they have subs with nukes patrolling.

Once we get flight, we may wish to start scouring the seas for subs.