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	02-10-2004 02:38									#92
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker He's a moron.

Yeah, and that's from someone who can't even put forth two lines of valid arguments.

	02-10-2004 02:39									#93
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Stop obscuring the only valid answer to the question with your obnoxious 'S

	02-10-2004 02:39									#94
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Yeah, I say we install dictators in these 3rd world countries so that they cn starve their people, work them like dogs, and live off the riches... Much better idea.

We could just offer $5 Million dollars per terrorst, dead or alive...

	02-10-2004 02:40									#95
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GePap, don't you think that on the long-run it is possible to play on political dynamics so that the 'fascist Islam' becomes more 'confident' and stops seeing the US as a threat against their values?

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Japher, do that and I'm rich biaatch!

	02-10-2004 02:42									#97
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quote: Originally posted by Drogue Is not fundamentalist. Muslim yes, fundamentalist no. Isn't a democracy yet. Has more registered voters than people eligable to vote. Nice democracy. Nice to see you didn't answer any of the questions, especially since they were prefaced with "more importantly". Let's try this again. If a country elects an Islamic Fundamentalist government, what do you do? Let them have an Islamic Fundamentalist government that's elected, or force a non-Fundy government on them?

If they are elected and they do not try to subvert democracy, we accept the results of the election.

	02-10-2004 02:43									#98
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quote: Originally posted by Oncle Boris GePap, don't you think that on the long-run it is possible to play on political dynamics so that the 'fascist Islam' becomes more 'confident' and stops seeing the US as a threat against their values?

No. The US has significant self-interest in preventing a possibly idologically hostile regime being created in a vital geo-strategic locaiton of the world. I seriously doubt thought this will happen (as I said before, the forces of the regimes these guys are trying to overthrow are too strong, which is why they conduct terrorist attacks in the first place) and the biggest challenge to US Hegemony will come from other Nation-State, China being the most likely.

	02-10-2004 02:44									#99
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quote: Originally posted by Ned If they are elected and they do not try to subvert democracy, we accept the results of the election.

Which is bull, since that leaves it to our government to decide for itself when that is happening.

	02-10-2004 02:45									#100
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quote: Japher, do that and I'm rich biaatch!

It was part of our take of europe plan

	02-10-2004 02:45									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Please. America's biggest ****ing problem is the stupid city on the hill idea. England should've just killed the Puritans, not let them come to the US

Then get that f****** moron out of the White House 'cause HE believes in that ****.
Kerry may be a politician but at least he`s not an imbecile crossed with a religious freak.

	02-10-2004 02:45									#102
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quote: Originally posted by Drogue Taliban yes, Saddam no. The way it should have been.

Drogue, I say no to both based upon his no vote on the first Gulf war. He thought sanctions would work then and I think that is what he would have done again with Taliban.

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quote: Originally posted by Ned Drogue, I say no to both based upon his no vote on the first Gulf war. He thought sanctions would work then and I think that is what he would have done again with Taliban.

Which makes no sense since there is a fundamental difference in situations- the Taliban was harboring somoene within their state, while Saddam has crossed international boundaries.

	02-10-2004 02:47									#104
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Japher, part of your take of europe plan? What the hell does that mean?

	02-10-2004 02:48									#105
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Pekka, got rid of the pictures when we drew of what we thought Europe would look like in umpteen years... I gave you all of Finland

	02-10-2004 02:48									#106
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quote: Originally posted by Sava Yeah and I believe he would have done a better job than Bush. Look at Afghanistan. 11,000 US Troops at the HEIGHT of operations. There are more police officers on Manhattan Island than there were in Afghanistan. Bush ALLOWED Osama bin Laden to escape. Bush is INCOMPETENT.

Bush pushed Franks aside and personally commanded the troops at Tora Bora? Tommy Franks says this whole Michael Moore accusation is beyond nonsense.

Sava, why don't you ask Michael Moore run for Governor of Illinois? You'd be happy as Moore ran all the corporations out of Illinois, wouldn't you?

	02-10-2004 02:49									#107
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THE WAR ON TERROR: THE TERROR TO END ALL TERROR.

2001 - Infinity

Casualties: civil rights and countless lives

	02-10-2004 02:52									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai PS, it is impossible to fight and defeat terrorists because it impossible to kill everyone of them. The military approach is self-defeating. The way to win is on the economic front. This is how the US won the Cold War and the sad irony is that the US has not learned from its victories and instead chooses to repeat the mistakes of the past.

What in the mother-f*****g world do you think we are doing?

	02-10-2004 02:52									#109
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quote: Originally posted by GePap No. The US has significant self-interest in preventing a possibly idologically hostile regime being created in a vital geo-strategic locaiton of the world.

I don't get your point. Which ideology are you talking of?

quote: I seriously doubt thought this will happen (as I said before, the forces of the regimes these guys are trying to overthrow are too strong, which is why they conduct terrorist attacks in the first place) and the biggest challenge to US Hegemony will come from other Nation-State, China being the most likely.

In all fairness I agree, in fact I was just curious to know your opinion on the issue.

	02-10-2004 02:53									#110
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat Everybody was enjoying the booming Clinton economy and forgetting about the growing threat of Osama and Al Queda. He attacked us repeatedly but we did little to stop him because we did not want to disturb the peace and prosperity.

The diplomat, Clinton economy? He fought the Republican Congress every step of the way to a balanced budget.

	02-10-2004 02:55									#111
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The economy did not boom because of Clinton. Clinton was merely lucky enough to preside over the boom, and preside right till the peak before it fell.

	02-10-2004 02:58									#112
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quote: Originally posted by Chemical Ollie Exaggerating what? I've read lots of stories where jumpy soldiers shot people that looked suspicious, then not even bothered to check out whom they just killed and why, and not being restricted by their officers for shooting the people they are there to protect. It probably hasn't been reported on FOX, but that doesn't make it an exaggeration. If you read Oerdin's blog, you see that they even weld extra metal plates onto their vehicles to bump civilian cars off the road whenever there is a traffic jam. Imagine how angry you would be if some ashole smashed your car and your insurance did not cover it. Your soldiers, often hiding behind SOP orders, don't act like the liberators they are supposed to be, they are rather arrogant and scared. A bad combination. Look at the Brits, they are confident and polite. They do things like play football with the locals. When a British unit under attack ran out of ammo, they fixed bayonets and charged, taking a higher risk to save civilian lifes while still solving the problem. The American SOP in that situation would be to call in an airstrike, causing a lot of colateral damage. The firefighters in WTC did not say: - Hey I won't go in that building, it might collapse! They said: - My mission is to save civilian lifes, so I must face the risk of going in there! A soldier is also payed to take a higher risk. As the mission in Iraq is "Iraqi freedom", they must face the higher risk in order to win, not shoot at everything that looks suspicious, just in case.

This post just drools with hatred for America.

	02-10-2004 03:00									#113
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Ned, maybe its just me, but I think you assert too much.....it sounds nicer if you'd back up the post with some kind of an elaboration or a proper rebuttal.

	02-10-2004 03:03									#114
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Yes, yes we know that... now back to the terrorist thing. Dips thing still holds, everyone was so hunky dory with a booming economy that Clinton didn't want to do anything to F it up when Saddam violated the UN sanctions, and the rest of the world was being bought out by Iraq and affiliates and didn't want to stir the waters. All the while OBL was getting mad at the US for having more money than he did, so he used the abused fundie islamic regimes who were also angry at the west to launch attacks on the US and other countries, including Isreal, cause everyone hates the jew. So, the jews asked for help from the US, since birds of a feather flock toghether, or your enemies enemy type thing, from which was born the neo-cons....

time passes, bam! Just as Bush gets to presidency the gapping whole of ignorance left by all the presidents before Bush was taken advantage of and four planes flew through it. Bush gets mad, then he gets even. The Taliban is over thrown for harboring the man who takes responsibility, and we begin hunting them. At the same time some flawed intelligence reports that Saddam is harboring terrorists and arming them with weapons of mass destruction. France and Germany who are still Clinton Economy land soaking up the yayas don't want to wake up, so Booom! We shock (not much awe) the world by attacking Iraq.

Time passes.

What did we do wrong?

We didn't completely blow the sh1t out of one country before moving on to the next.

We feel a sleep at the wheel (no offense asleepatthewheel) and was blinded by money.

We allowed know enemies to enter the country, not only that but we allowed them to live.

We allowed are borders to be penitrated.

We care.

	02-10-2004 03:05									#115
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quote: Originally posted by Chemical Ollie I read words like leftist, crap, neanderthal and moron. I did not read your explanation how airstrikes, tank attacks and the creation of bitter orphans prevents terrorism. Can you write it again please?

Pure anti-American propaganda. Ending this kind of propaganda would certainly help.

	02-10-2004 03:13									#116
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quote: Originally posted by aneeshm As yet , I have not come across a thread asking for suggestions from forum members and posters on how America can win the war on terror . This is a thread where you can express YOUR ideas on how to win the war . Note : I don't want this to degenerate into a discussion of America's past mistakes and successes . This is a thread for ideas on how to handle the current situation .

the war cannot be won. and in the end, the terrorist will be victorious. It'll take em a few decades though.

	02-10-2004 03:14									#117
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Which makes no sense since there is a fundamental difference in situations- the Taliban was harboring somoene within their state, while Saddam has crossed international boundaries.

Oh, come on now. Saddam harbored all sorts of terrorists, including Abu Nidal. Democrats saw no need to go to war against Saddam just because he harbored terrorists or even built training camps for him.

Do you remembeer that right after 9/11 that most Democrats argued that we should not consider the situation a state of war?

Kerry would have been true to form. Kerry is no Bush.

	02-10-2004 03:14									#118
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	02-10-2004 03:16									#119
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quote: Originally posted by Natalinasmpf The economy did not boom because of Clinton. Clinton was merely lucky enough to preside over the boom, and preside right till the peak before it fell.

Another person who ignores what happened when Republicans took control of Congress.

	02-10-2004 03:17									#120
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quote: Originally posted by Natalinasmpf Ned, maybe its just me, but I think you assert too much.....it sounds nicer if you'd back up the post with some kind of an elaboration or a proper rebuttal.

OK, Natal. Osama bin Laden did not form his organization and attack the US repeatedly over the '90s because of our actions in Iraq beginning in 2003.