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st cloud USA
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Originally posted by Dissident
the war cannot be won. and in the end, the terrorist will be victorious. It'll take em a few decades though. |
Hrmmm. Has Diss ever been known to troll?
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If they are elected and they do not try to subvert democracy, we accept the results of the election. |
But you know, the governments would still allow pro-Muslim (pro-Muslim in a negative sense, ie. like white supremacist) and anti-US hate speech.
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only thing that will stop muslim fundies is a muslim Reformation. |
That has already happened. It was called the Sunni/Shi'ite split.
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Originally posted by The diplomat
Wrong. You are forgetting all the terrorist attacks Osama sponsored in the 90's, like the first WTC attack and the attack against the Cole. Osama was growing in the 90's and we did not stop him.
That's the problem: during the 90's we were complacent. Everybody was enjoying the booming Clinton economy and forgetting about the growing threat of Osama and Al Queda. He attacked us repeatedly but we did little to stop him because we did not want to disturb the peace and prosperity. |
This is incorrect, Bush was the complacent one.
Every day Clinton met with experts to discuss the terrorist threat. He realized that it was something that had to be dealt with. The Clinton Administration also got wind that something big was on the horizon, and they tried to give word to the Bush Administration. Unfortunately the latter was too arrogant to think they needed to learn anything from the previous administration, and so they didn't pay it any head. Bush had no regular meetings to discuss terrorism until after 9/11.
Just because Clinton didn't go to war left and right doesn't mean he wasn't going after terrorists. There are other ways (though he did use the occasional military strike).
-Drachasor
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How to combat terrorism:
1. Remake the US-sponsored new network in the ME area so it is actually broadcasting fair and unbiased news reports. Right now it has destroyed its credibility, and for this reason it needs a name and organization change.
2. Work with other nations to help 2nd and 3rd world Countries grow and progress. Develop charity programs and the like to work on education, health, and other issues.
3. Educate people about democracy, and help the people of non-democratic regimes become more democratic. Many in Iran, for instance, want to have a full democracy but are stifled by the religious wing of the government. However, war is not the answer here in almost every case.
4. Stop abusing 2nd and 3rd world countries for our own gain. We need to stop support brutal dictators and undemocratic regimes, even if it means the new regime will be less friendly to us.
5. Do everything possible to increase economic ties between countries. This will increase the exchange of ideas too (note China).
6. Work with Palestine and Isreal to make a peace treaty so that both of them can have their own country. Get serious and threaten Isreal with a cessation to funding. We give them 1/3 of the GDP for free every year, so they really should listen to us (we just need to be serious). Sponsor economic growth in Palestine once this is done.
7. Develop strong ties with as many countries as possible and work with them to track down known terrorists and stop them.
8. Fund R&D into new ways of tracking and locating terrorists, and into ways to help items 1-6 come to pass.
Basically, healthy, thriving communities make almost no terrorists (and really heathly ones make none). Hence we should work to alleviate forces that are stopping countries from becoming healthy, thriving areas. Yes, in many cases it is the poor governments of that region, but in some other cases it is how the U.S. or other countries have treated them.
And yes, I do understand that being poor and suffering doesn't justify (in a moral sense) going off and killing a dozen people, but it does cause (in a psychological sense) that sort of behavior to crop up when there is a tangible cause. It is merely being pragmatic to address such causes in an attempt to minimize the production of new terrorists as much as possible.
-Drachasor
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02-10-2004 03:20
. Pakistan has training camps for terrorists against India- and did far more to spread terrorism than Iraq ever did- which of course is irrelevant- our "war" is against Islamic fundamentalists with international aims-not all terrorist (which is impossible), nor really even with islamic fundies with local aims.
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