09-10-2004 01:17									#31
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The internet exposes a lot more bugs than individuals would pick up on otherwise, there were probably lots of games in the 80's with obsure bugs that very few people exploited/noticed.

	09-10-2004 05:29									#32
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Simple games don't have any bugs. Skifree, MS Solitaire, Tetris.

	09-10-2004 12:49									#33
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I'm sure I've seen bugs in Lemmings as well. Can't remember the specifics though.

	09-10-2004 13:33									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Spaced Cowboy Hey I'm pretty sure that Civ 3 did not have any bugs.

Does sucking count as a bug?

	09-10-2004 14:03									#35
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That's unfair Mike. It was a feature.

	09-10-2004 18:14									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Adagio I'm not saying that the bridge-building part was a bug, just that you couldn't use the bridge

From memory you COULD if you had a boat chain there as well. I also seem to remember making a RR there too. Not sure if you got extra production out of those sea tiles though.

	09-10-2004 18:15									#37
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quote: Originally posted by BustaMike Does sucking count as a bug?

But of course..... that's why CtP is one of the biggest bugs known to history.

	09-10-2004 18:41									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident Archon was pretty bug free. But sometimes you could get some problems when hitting the corners of obstacles iirc.

You can get stuck in an obstacle. That is a feature, not a bug.

	09-10-2004 18:42									#39
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever The internet exposes a lot more bugs than individuals would pick up on otherwise, there were probably lots of games in the 80's with obsure bugs that very few people exploited/noticed.

The flip side is, since the Web makes it so easy to patch a program, now companies rush out beta quality software instead of well tested programs.

	09-10-2004 18:53									#40
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Tetris.

	09-10-2004 20:04									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns Tetris.

Slow

	09-10-2004 20:13									#42
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quote: Originally posted by BustaMike Does sucking count as a bug?

Come on, I was not serious!

	09-10-2004 20:41									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Smiley Did Pong have any?

Beat me to it

I'd also say games like Pacman, Galaga, etc. probably are bug-free

	09-10-2004 20:42									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Immortal Wombat Chess

Nope. On my dad's chess game, the computer sometimes cheats and creates or destroys pieces when it gets in check or checkmate. And if you actually take the king, really weird stuff can happen.

We never figured out what caused it.

	10-10-2004 03:32									#45
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Elite

	10-10-2004 03:38									#46
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IIRC that had a few bugs in it. I that game.

	10-10-2004 03:41									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker IIRC that had a few bugs in it. I that game.

Elite had bugs?? Not the C64 version that made me waste my live

	10-10-2004 06:09									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Slow

Its not that slow when you get past level 1.

	10-10-2004 06:16									#49
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Ah, my mistake. I can only find reports of bugs for Frontier: Elite II

	10-10-2004 13:54									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Ah, my mistake. I can only find reports of bugs for Frontier: Elite II

Hehe, now that was a bug fest. Still an awesome game thoug.

	10-10-2004 14:18									#51
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I used to crash on landing sometimes for no reason. That was a nasty bug.

	10-10-2004 15:25									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns Its not that slow when you get past level 1.

I meant somebody else beat you to naming Tetris.

	10-10-2004 15:30									#53
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He always skimsies.

	10-10-2004 16:02									#54
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quote: Originally posted by DaveV Civ 1 had some cute bugs: for example, there was a way to wake up a settler and do terrain improvements in one turn that should have taken a lot longer. I remember this quote from one of my computer science classes: "no non-trivial program is ever bug-free". It's a good excuse now that I'm working as a programmer: "what, you want me to write a trivial program?" .

Ah yes, Civ1 had some true nice ones....like building rails ONTO the ocean and who remembers the more infamous "ghost country"-bug where new swathes of land would appear near the edge of the map. I only saw this whilst playing on the original worldmap and a part of the tundra in north America dissappeared and be replaced with lush green lands that appeared to go on beyond the poles.

Cool! (I thought, knowing it was a sort of a bug). I wonder what would happen if i build a city there? Not too much surprise the new lands quickly were gone including my city. It never reappeared on the map.

So until this very day, somewhere there remains a city and some settlers stranded in that twilight zone.

	10-10-2004 16:05									#55
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Most arcade games were generally bug free. With notable exceptions like paperboy for example. They had to be because patching up a PCB is a bit of a hassle once they're in the arcade.

	10-10-2004 20:53									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Nope. On my dad's chess game, the computer sometimes cheats and creates or destroys pieces when it gets in check or checkmate. And if you actually take the king, really weird stuff can happen.

No, chess. With pieces on a board.


I'm pretty sure I found a bug in Skifree as well. Don't remember.

	11-10-2004 03:16									#57
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike I used to crash on landing sometimes for no reason. That was a nasty bug.

That wasn't a bug. When landing ona planet with an atmosphere you had to turn on (or off, I can't remember) the whatchamacallit...

Anyways, you can download Elite 2 from David Braben's site now, it's shareware with most of the bugs gone. I visit the Elite newsgroup every now and then and there seems to be quite a large community of Elite players still playing the game.

Imagine a multiplayer Elite... :droolingsmileyhere:

	11-10-2004 03:27									#58
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Nah, there was a bug as well. It would work fine with no changes after a reload.

	11-10-2004 03:37									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Nope. On my dad's chess game, the computer sometimes cheats and creates or destroys pieces when it gets in check or checkmate. And if you actually take the king, really weird stuff can happen. We never figured out what caused it.

When evaluating which move to make next, AI in games work on trying achieve the best score possible, perhaps when faced with defeat the computer puts extra pieces on the board to up its score and stave off defeat.

I know one way of telling the computer not to lose it's king is to make it worth more than all the other pieces combined, so no position will ever score worse than the computer losing it's king. Maybe putting more pieces on the board or taking the opponents off is a way around that?

	11-10-2004 03:47									#60
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Only Tetris of those I have played. And maybe RISK for Windows, I don't remember.