08-10-2004 19:33									#31
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Here's a larger picture of the bulge in question:




In any case, this, plus Bush's long pauses at places and saying "Let me finish" when he wasn't being interrupted, plus the Bush campaign's insistance that there were no shots of the candidates from the back add up to something being fishy.

And I don't think it would be a kevlar vest - at a baseball stadium with thousands of people that would be hard to secure entirely, I could understand, but this is a small debate hall transformed into one of the most secure locations in North America.

	08-10-2004 19:38									#32
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Who the hell cares? unless you believe it was Al Gore that was giving Dubya debate tips?

	08-10-2004 19:40									#33
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Probably just a crease or a wrinkle but it is amazing how intensely some people study things

	08-10-2004 19:44									#34
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Definitely a wire. I always wondered when a candidate would use a wire in a debate. Bush thought that he could substitute having a wire for practicing didnt work, to well. It was probably used to shock him, when he said something stupid. Poor guy.

	08-10-2004 19:46									#35
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Well, now that we "know" Kerry had notes and Bush has electronic coaching, I can safely say that Lehrer had an anal probe ready at the time to "punish" the candidates if they broke the rules too much.

	08-10-2004 19:46									#36
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any link to a video of the debate? his mannerisms will be a lot more telling the those pictures

	08-10-2004 19:50									#37
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I bet its body armor. If it was Rover doing the talking for Bush, he would've done a hell of a better job than what he did.

	08-10-2004 19:55									#38
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It would make no sense for the Prez to have body armor on- send the wrong message- that I am not safe- if the president feels unsafe standing in a presidential debate, with the secret service everywhere, then how is anyone else safe?

	08-10-2004 20:07									#39
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From the looks of it and the curved outline it appears to be a bullet proof vest. Regardless of message, the Secret Service have their job to do and making the PRez wear it is appropriate, especially in light of several GOP headquarters being shot up that same night. Its not so much the terrorists that one has to watch out for its the rabid dems.

Scratch that, they're the same thing.

	08-10-2004 20:09									#40
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worthy.

If the prez needs a bulletproof vest, why the hell do we pay the secret service?

	08-10-2004 20:10									#41
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Well, it looks the same as what cyclers had during the last Tour de France.

	08-10-2004 20:11									#42
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Dans'd

	08-10-2004 20:13									#43
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quote: Originally posted by GePap worthy. If the prez needs a bulletproof vest, why the hell do we pay the secret service?

So let me get this logic. You are in favor of one line of defense. An offensive outward looking defensive posture but no fall back position.

You should be completely onboard with Iraq then and the poor state of domestic homeland security.

	08-10-2004 20:25									#44
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On second thought, I bet it was simply to prevent Bush from being shot in the back as Kerry is so bravely noted to do.

	08-10-2004 20:31									#45
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Ouch.

	08-10-2004 20:45									#46
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as with the pen stuff, we need to see the high resolution stuff from fox. The low res images of Kerry looked like he was pulling out something white and square, and this does appear to be some box with a wire going up towards his ear.

	08-10-2004 21:36									#47
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Surely an ear-piece would show up in the footage? The thing on his back looks like a vibrator.

	08-10-2004 21:41									#48
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I demand strip searches for tonight's debate

	08-10-2004 21:41									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe So let me get this logic. You are in favor of one line of defense. An offensive outward looking defensive posture but no fall back position. You should be completely onboard with Iraq then and the poor state of domestic homeland security.

Give it up- stupid spin. I have not heard of any president wearing a bulletproof vest at a political event - can you come up with a single instance? A single other photograph? ANYTHING?

I know how much you like going off on tangents without anything to back you up, but this is specially silly.

As for the "accusation", I think the weird wrinkle works best for me.

	08-10-2004 21:41									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I demand strip searches for tonight's debate

Cavity searches on live TV. That'd boost ratings.

	08-10-2004 21:46									#51
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It may well be body armor, but when I watched the deabte, I had the impression that someone was feeding Bush answers from the way he acted.

	08-10-2004 21:47									#52
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Give it up- stupid spin. I have not heard of any president wearing a bulletproof vest at a political event - can you come up with a single instance? A single other photograph? ANYTHING? I know how much you like going off on tangents without anything to back you up, but this is specially silly. As for the "accusation", I think the weird wrinkle works best for me.

I see your


and raise you a

Damn, coulda helped ole Bobby K., presidential wannabe with SS detail, now couldn't it?

	08-10-2004 21:48									#53
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	08-10-2004 21:50									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe Damn, coulda helped ole Bobby K., presidential wannabe with SS detail, now couldn't it?

How different the world would be today.

	08-10-2004 22:04									#55
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It was probably a bullet proof vest. The Secret Service probably requires the president to wear one at public events just in case someone tries something.

	08-10-2004 22:07									#56
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We'll need to see a shot from the other side.

	08-10-2004 23:54									#57
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Give it up- stupid spin. I have not heard of any president wearing a bulletproof vest at a political event - can you come up with a single instance? A single other photograph? ANYTHING? I know how much you like going off on tangents without anything to back you up, but this is specially silly. As for the "accusation", I think the weird wrinkle works best for me.

If indeed it is a kevlar vest in the picture then it was not publicised. From whence come your confidence that any previous instance of wearing a kevlar vest would have been made public?

	09-10-2004 00:16									#58
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I think it's the spinal cord of some alien being controlling his brain.

	09-10-2004 00:20									#59
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A vest goes fully around. As for the notion that the Secret Service makes it madatory-bullshit- look at the president going throught crows without a suit on- it would be obvious he was wearing such a thing, but there is no evidence, EVER. If he doesn;t wear one when walking in a crowd, he will be wearing one while in a canned event like a speech? And of course any such item would be on the press- no way that could be hidden.

Please you guys make it worst by stupidly claimign its a vest- just say its a damned wrinkle, or an effect of the light, but to claim a bullet proof vest? Bullshit.

	09-10-2004 00:29									#60
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My immediate thought was it was a wire for a mike. Did he have one of those tiny mikes attached to his suit?