18-10-2004 18:29									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Dry Yes, it is possible. I've already had it 2-3 times. From either philo or the free tech (not sure which one), but I never had 2 at the same time.

So you're not sure if it's possible?
I don't understand you here. Sentences 1 and 3 are in conflict.

	18-10-2004 19:09									#32
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Seems I read your post too fast.
I thought you meant that neither Philo itself, nor the FreeTech could generate any leader.
What I meant, was that when you discover Philo and you choose another unknown tech, it is possible to generate a leader.
What I'm not sure of, is which one of the 2 has REALLY generate it.

	18-10-2004 20:58									#33
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yes it is possible, but even with scientific civ it is VERY slim chance: 0.05*0.05 = 0.0025 or 0.25%. One Scientific Greate Leader (SGL) does not prevent another SGL, but it prevents Military Great Leader (MGL) from showing up. I had SGL either for researching Philosophy itself or for bonus tech.

Some other facts:
* you can get SGL from any of 2 free tech from The Theory of Evolution (same as any other requlary researched);
* no SGL for "hut" discovered tech;
* no SGL for bonus era tech (scientific civs).

	18-10-2004 21:20									#34
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quote: Originally posted by joncnunn The more expensive tech you can have access to while still discovering Philosphacy first, the better. Best possible that I'm aware of is Monarchy, requiring you to have Polythesism before finishing.

Actually, the best free tech possible is Invention.

	18-10-2004 22:17									#35
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How is that?

	18-10-2004 22:24									#36
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1. Get Philosophy as the last required tech of the ancient age.
   
2. Before selecting your free tech, press F4 and bring two scientific AI civs into the middle ages.
   
3. Hope they get Engineering and Feudalism as their free techs.
   
4. Trade for Engineering and Feudalism with those civs.
   
5. Exit the foreign advisor screen and select Invention as your free tech.
   

Simple, eh?

	18-10-2004 22:35									#37
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I thought you could get Gunpowder although as alexman is always right I wouldn't bet on it.
You'd need to be scientific and be extremely rich. You'd have to go to "what's the big picture" from the era splah scene, sell and gift at least 2 scientific AIs to the middle ages and then buy Feudalism and monotheism from them and finally queue up Invention and gunpowder. It's unlikely but not impossible.

	18-10-2004 22:40									#38
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Yes, if you're scientific you could get Gunpowder following the above process, but technically that wouldn't be your free tech from Philosophy, it would be your free tech from being scientific.

	18-10-2004 22:54									#39
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OMFG!!

have you ever pulled that off??

	18-10-2004 23:07									#40
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I've tried to get Education from this method before but I failed. I'm sure I got the impression that the scientific tech came first. Although there was no option to select the philosophy tech afterwards, I assume that queuing them up would work.

	19-10-2004 01:36									#41
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Ahh I got it but isn't that considered an exploit?

	19-10-2004 14:14									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Dauphin If you press shift and select a tech other than the one you are researching you create a custom tech queue. The free tech that you get will be the tech next in the queue after Philosophy..

thanks a lot I didn't know you could use shift to queue techs the way you queue production!

	23-10-2004 11:11									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Krill OMFG!! have you ever pulled that off??

I seem to recall a game that I had this lined up and working, but one of the monkeys I keep in my basement choose that particular moment to hand me the manuscript for The Tempest he had just typed, so I forget how it turned out...