10-10-2004 20:02									#1
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Given the recent Gaian dithering on trading it, should we (this turn, right now) buy the commlink from yang and open negotiations with the Angels?

Same cost (25 ec's)

(LOL, this was meant to be a poll - I guess i screwed up)

So just post a simple Yes or no

	10-10-2004 20:06									#2
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I vote Yes

	10-10-2004 20:07									#3
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It's a yes for me too

	10-10-2004 20:40									#4
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Voter fraud

I vote yes. I'm already composing a statement: the fact that they've pulled back on the trade gives us enough reason and justification to call off the trade. Let's make the Greenies sweat a bit.

	10-10-2004 20:55									#5
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I vote yes too. This is imho just a trick to delay us getting the Angel frequency.

Btw, just mentioning it, we could exploit their withdrawal from their commlink trade agreement as an excuse to cancel or renegotiate the IndAut trade after all.

Oh yeah, if we get the Angel frequency now, we should probably offer it to Morgan immediately (or the other way around offer the Morganite frequency to the Angels). Perhaps the Gaian commlink trade delay has that reason: they want to sell the Morganites the Angel frequency before we can.

	10-10-2004 21:04									#6
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quote: Btw, just mentioning it, we could exploit their withdrawal from their commlink trade agreement as an excuse to cancel or renegotiate the IndAut trade after all.

Are we sure the possible extended duration of a no-trade clause is really worth it? There is a considerable risk that we'll end up without IndAuto, perhaps for a long time.

	10-10-2004 21:06									#7
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True. I was hoping for a more responsive Morgan to get IndAut, but that might be wishful thinking seeing their non-response in the embassy.

	10-10-2004 21:09									#8
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We couild always straight out offer Morgan GS for IA on a pre-accepted basis - that way they - and we - would have the tech next turn

Then, if they agree, pull out of the Gaian trade completely

	10-10-2004 21:09									#9
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Never mind the fact that such, erm, flipflopping might give us a bad reputation a la PEACE in further negotiations.

	10-10-2004 21:11									#10
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The Morganites have yet to respond to us in the meeting room. I doubt they are able to react to the proposal that quickly.

	10-10-2004 21:13									#11
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But (so far) we have 3 Yea votes (with none dissenting)

Googlie
Kass
Maniac

plus, I'm assuming,

Snoddasmannen

We prolly need to get KK and Zeiter on board before acting (plus any others who are reading - Diss and PP)

I haven't seen recent posts from Andemagne, ChairmanSlick, DBTS, Master Zen or Zero - are they still active elsewhere in the forums?

	10-10-2004 21:20									#12
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Yay

EDIT: I mean Yea

	10-10-2004 21:27									#13
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Well, that gives 4 of the 6 more or less regular posters, which constitutes a majority

I suggest (as time is ticking on our second 24 hours) that I open the turn, buy the commlink from Yang, then Kassi can e-mail a couple of the Angels players to give them the Embassy URL (maybe posting a welcoming message) and let's see what happens

Yes?

	10-10-2004 21:32									#14
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Yep, you mean email, PM them, or both to be on the safe side?

Also, I should probably tell the Gaians about it.

	10-10-2004 21:40									#15
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Naw - as regards the Gaians, I suggest just that you post that message that we've produced in their thread (just coldly telling them not to offer it next turn - let them draw their own conclusions)

And to be safe I'd contact two or 3 angels both by e-mail and PM

(But I'm still waiting for the concensus to agree that we buy it from Yang - I don't want to piss of KK or Zeiter [especially after KK's query yesterday about how decisions are made]. I am poised with the turn open)

	10-10-2004 21:47									#16
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Ach - we've waited long enough - we have a quorum

EDIT - RATS

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	10-10-2004 21:48									#17
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Now I don't know if in some of those subsequent openings and savings of the final-final I contacted yang for whatever reason and now he's refusing to talk

Can someone try the posted .sav to see if yang will talk?

	10-10-2004 21:48									#18
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Well this is going to change things somewhat. Are we putting priority on pissing off the Gaians or getting the commlink asap?

	10-10-2004 21:51									#19
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I sense that we are trying to impose a little distance and suspicion between ourselves and the gaians

But I think too, that if we get the Angels' commlink this turn we should sell it to morgan asap

	10-10-2004 21:59									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Googlie Can someone try the posted .sav to see if yang will talk?

Don't bother. I treied it on my laptop, and he still won't talk

So we need to re-evaluate. How badly do we want the Angels' commlink (I can think of other things we can do with the 25 ec's)

	10-10-2004 22:04									#21
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I definitely agree, try to get the Angel commlink from Yang.

	10-10-2004 22:05									#22
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Well. We don't have an urgent need of talking to them. But, do we think the Gaians will be willing to part with the commlink as cheaply next time? When will Yang feel like picking up the phone?

I still vote that we should hold off the purchase though.

	10-10-2004 22:45									#23
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Crap.

Yang won't talk to me either.

Funny, though...

Yesterday, when I was doing the calcs, he was willing to talk. Well, enough to ask about pacting against the Gaians.

	10-10-2004 22:45									#24
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Well, it's off the table for this current round (at the gaians request)

next turn, presumably, they'll offer it for a price

(I bet that Maniac had it right - they're stalling so that they can sell it to morgan next turn before we do. Next turn we should enquire from Morgan if he has it and possibly look at them as a source if Yang won't talk)