15-10-2004 00:14									#1
	Too advanced Suffering from ads?

Aaargh!!!
Once again, I have been foiled. Here I am, hundreds of years ahead of my closest rivals and I have no oil or coal! Therefore, I cannot build rails despite having steam power and can't build bombers, battleships, aircraft carriers and planes because I have no oil! The other civs are so backweards, that bubbling crude and black icky stuff to them is just black icky stuff and bubbling crude. They have it, but don't know it to trade or sell it.
I think rails should not require coal to build. Iron i can see, but locomtoives ran on wood, coal, pretty much anything that woyuld burn; later on DIESEL!
Yet I can build a nuclear sub without Uranium.
The follies of being too advanced...
Just needed to vent.

	15-10-2004 00:37									#2
	Support Apolyton

This just means it's clobbering time - Arty and Infantry until you have what you want.

Admittedly however it is a shame this forces you to war even if you don't want to to win...

	15-10-2004 05:13									#3
	Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

Yep, MWIA said it. If they won't trade you because of their own selfish reasons or they're simply too stupid to realize that you'd pay some pretty coins for something worthless to them, take it.

You could see if you can persuade them to trade a city or two near those resources but be prepared to use force of arms.

If you're a bleeding-heart pacfist, I suppose you could trade or give away techs they will need to 'realize' the importance of those resources you want then hope they'll trade it with you.

	15-10-2004 05:53									#4
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

quote: Originally posted by Barinthus Yep, MWIA said it. If they won't trade you because of their own selfish reasons or they're simply too stupid to realize that you'd pay some pretty coins for something worthless to them, take it.

...pretty sure it's because they can't.

	15-10-2004 08:36									#5
	Tired of ads?

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	15-10-2004 09:48									#6
	Put an end to popups!

Umm, yeah... what Theseus said. If you're that advanced, what are you doing letting backwards simpletons control the world's most important resources?!?

TAKE THEM!!!

	15-10-2004 12:18									#7
	Remove this text

I reckon you play Conquests? In this case, resource scarcity is an intended improvement to force you to actually do conquests instead of sitting on your rear end and enjoying a thriving empire.

	15-10-2004 21:10									#8
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

quote: Originally posted by punkbass2000 ...pretty sure it's because they can't.

Yeah I was being sadontic

	15-10-2004 21:11									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph I reckon you play Conquests? In this case, resource scarcity is an intended improvement to force you to actually do conquests instead of sitting on your rear end and enjoying a thriving empire.

Really? I got an impression that Firaxis kind of look down at warmongering for some reason.

I haven't played that many games, am on my 4th epic game right now but I have yet to experience the need to war for resources, I often wind up with at least one of everything within my borders

On second thought, I've played all of those games on Chieftain level...

	15-10-2004 23:34									#10
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That'll do it, Barinthus.

	16-10-2004 00:07									#11
	Too Advanced addendum Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

Yep, Right now, I have found an island with oil (three land tiles; two wetlands and one mtn, how's that for uckfayed uppay) and need to clear the wetlands to build a small city (rush job, buy a harbor or airport).
Right now, I'm also building temples and cathedrals and all those wonderful culture buildings in the city nearest those resources in the hopes of flipping Bangalore (the coal city). But I'm also building up some TOW infantries and am ready to launch a Blitzkrieg into India, maybe build some tanks once I get the oil. That's when I get nasty, gimme tanks and just roll over Ghandi

	16-10-2004 00:31									#12
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

If you're hundred of years in front of everyone, use that 100+ years of technological advances and beat the hell out of your opponents. Start where they have coal and oil...

	16-10-2004 02:18									#13
	Re: Too advanced Enter the AD-FREE zone

quote: Originally posted by DreamSlave2112 I think rails should not require coal to build.

Without coal being a requisite for rails coal has no real practical use. That is, I never bother with Ironclads or Coal Plants.

More units/improvements should have it as a requisite imho. Factories not least of them.

	16-10-2004 05:40									#14
	Increase the size of your Attachments

Rails alone makes coal an extremely valuable resource. It doesn't matter if other units/improvements have coal as their requiste, I gotta have coal just for rails.

	16-10-2004 05:40									#15
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

quote: Originally posted by Solomwi That'll do it, Barinthus.

Hey! At least during my second epic game as Arabs, I didn't have ivory therefore I couldn't do a Statue of Zeus.

	23-10-2004 22:47									#16
	Re: Too advanced Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

quote: Originally posted by DreamSlave2112 I think rails should not require coal to build. Iron i can see, but locomtoives ran on wood, coal, pretty much anything that woyuld burn; later on DIESEL!

You need Coal in order to make any kind of Steel, it's part of the production process.

	24-10-2004 16:59									#17
	Inflate your Upload Space

It may be, but you don't ned coal to make anything that the Steel advance allows. I guess that's why CivIII has a game editor