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Oct 2000
time: 06:21
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Everybody fears death to a lesser or greaterr extent, either for themselves or for their family and friends. I for one, as a Christian, have no fear of being dead, as I believe I'll come to a better place together with my saviour, but I do fear death, as I don't know how it will be before it's over and because of the person around me I love. Also, I am young and wants to live my life a bit longer than 18 years. But I do look forward to afterlife though.
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Originally posted by Gangerolf
Christians who believe in hell and think they're going there when they die must be terrified |
As a rule of thumb, Christians doesn't come to Hell. As long as one has accepted Jesus as one's saviour, one is Christian and one is saved.
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Verto
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Originally posted by Gangerolf
So, as long as I accept Jesus, I can do whatever I want to without having to worry about hell? |
James 2
14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
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chegitz guevara
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:21
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Originally posted by Verto
James 2
14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. |
That seems to pretty well be an indictment of Protestantism.
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:21
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I'm Christian, do I fear death? I think fear is the wrong word.. I mean I don't LIKE death, but I will die some day, there's no way around it. So I can just accept it, and when I do accept that fact, why should be I afraid of it?
Well, when I die I hope my parents have passed away so they won't have to bury me, which is wrong. The other one is if I'm ever blessed with kids, I hope they are adults when I die, so they can deal with it as adults and grow up with both parents.
That's about it. As far as heaven goes, well, God made me and he'll take me, the difference I guess is if I'll be relocated to hell or not. I don't want to go to hell but at the end it's not really up to me, all I can do is keep the faith and open my heart and accept Jesus in there, and I believe that'll set my way to heaven and that's what I do and if that's NOT the way to heaven, then I don't know the way and I can't do anything else to make it otherwise because that's the only way I know how and that's what I'll do.
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BlackCat
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Life is dangerous - it kills you in the long run no matter what religious drug you are addicted to.
A couple of questions about the religious drugs :
In islam you are supposed to be equipped whith a number of virgins (can't remember how many), but are they supposed to stay virgin ? If thats true i'll call it hell.
I don't like harp music so going to heaven as a christian must be hell og are there a chance to select indiviual instruments ?
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Elok
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Land of Ramen Dragons
Mar 2003
time: 00:21
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Dante Alighieri (sp?), thirteenth century or so. Lived in Italy. He got burned by the politics of the time, went into exile, and got this sort of perverted revenge on his enemies by writing an imaginary trip through hell populated by those he didn't like. There are different circles populated by the ghosts of different types of sinners, each circle with a different and increasingly nasty punishment.
My big problem with it, aside from the blatantly sadistic and ghoulish character of God as revealed by convoluted and superficially clever punishments, is that I don't think of people entirely in terms of one act, good or bad. Ted Bundy raped, he murdered, and he must have lied to get the girls into his car. I guess he travels between the various circles somehow. Bottom line is, it's a very limited view of the afterlife cooked up by a very bitter man. I don't care if it is good poetry.
As for death, I can't say because I've never faced it. Probably I wouldn't be too happy, but it's to be hoped that I'll die with some dignity. The main message I've gotten from my faith is not "live for the afterlife," as some people say it is, but that the hour of my death is out of my hands, that it's not as big a deal as it seems, and that the enjoyment of life is more than just a rabid denial of the grave accomplished by cramming as much hedonism in as possible before the end.
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Traianvs
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Belgium, land of plenty (corruption)
Jan 2000
time: 06:21
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quote:
Originally posted by Elok
Dante Alighieri (sp?), thirteenth century or so. Lived in Italy. He got burned by the politics of the time, went into exile, and got this sort of perverted revenge on his enemies by writing an imaginary trip through hell populated by those he didn't like. There are different circles populated by the ghosts of different types of sinners, each circle with a different and increasingly nasty punishment.
My big problem with it, aside from the blatantly sadistic and ghoulish character of God as revealed by convoluted and superficially clever punishments, is that I don't think of people entirely in terms of one act, good or bad. Ted Bundy raped, he murdered, and he must have lied to get the girls into his car. I guess he travels between the various circles somehow. Bottom line is, it's a very limited view of the afterlife cooked up by a very bitter man. I don't care if it is good poetry.
As for death, I can't say because I've never faced it. Probably I wouldn't be too happy, but it's to be hoped that I'll die with some dignity. The main message I've gotten from my faith is not "live for the afterlife," as some people say it is, but that the hour of my death is out of my hands, that it's not as big a deal as it seems, and that the enjoyment of life is more than just a rabid denial of the grave accomplished by cramming as much hedonism in as possible before the end. |
Nah, he's also got friends in Hell. In his work he explains pretty well how people of that time saw God and the theological principles there were relevant at the time. It might be that he has a limited view of the afterlife but he describes it as it was experienced by the christians back then, of course in his own style and with his own ideas. Still the theological principles are things he's read in various works published back then
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Dr Strangelove
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
That seems to pretty well be an indictment of Protestantism. |
Not all Protestants are Calvinists. As a former Episcopalian you should know that.
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