16-10-2004 07:49									#1
	A 3d Animated Globe Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

I have been thinking about this for a while--real planets are round, obviously, and the map is square! The map doesn't wrap around the way a real globe does and the projection onto a flat square map distorts the amount of land near the poles.

One thing that I think would be great is a 3d animated globe that would be completely hardware accelerated. As your civilization discovers the world, you could see more and more of the globe. Initially, the view would be zoomed in enough that you cannot even detect the curvature of the earth, but as your empire expands and you learn from neighbors, you will realize the curvature and eventually be able to see the whole planet! You can zoom, rotate, pan, etc.

It would definately feel cool when you dominate an entire hemisphere to be able to see your empire as it makes the planet look lopsided!

Projections could be done by unfolding the surface of the globe.

ALL units would be 3d modelled, ALA warcraft. You could zoom, rotate, pan, etc on battles and on the different units.

I think it would be really cool with the right controls!

	16-10-2004 08:49									#2
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I'm definitely in favor of something like that.
I've always wondered what some of my maps would've looked like on a globe. Obviously, some map sizes/shapes won't translate well (tiny maps, square maps, etc.) and there is the distortion problem. If they ever did Civ with hexes then it should be easier to have a strategic level globe. Tactical maps should still be flat though.

	17-10-2004 00:03									#3
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It's been suggested many a time.

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...light=Spherical

I am in favour.

	17-10-2004 15:54									#4
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This is an aspect coming back again and again (except for the hardware accelerated, which is out of my knowledge area :P)

It may coem some day, since 3D globe maps are already in a game presently gold. For screenshots: http://www.golemlabs.com/superpower2/screenshots.html

	21-10-2004 20:33									#5
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make it real-time 3D first person!

	22-10-2004 11:28									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Sandman It's been suggested many a time. http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...light=Spherical I am in favour.

I know. I'm in that thread too.

	22-10-2004 12:02									#7
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You could do a reasonable approximation of a globe using hexagonal tiles, if you don't mind the fact that 12 of the hexagons would actually be pentagons. Start with a dodecahedron (12 pentagons). Extend it as big as you like by inserting as many hexagons as needed.

It works for soccer balls ...

	22-10-2004 12:47									#8
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Thats been said before as well.

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=94361

	24-10-2004 21:58									#9
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i tink it could be cool lik the XCom series

	26-10-2004 10:04									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Trifna This is an aspect coming back again and again (except for the hardware accelerated, which is out of my knowledge area :P) It may coem some day, since 3D globe maps are already in a game presently gold. For screenshots: http://www.golemlabs.com/superpower2/screenshots.html

Heh, heh. As long as civ 4 isn't as crashy as Superpower 2 that's not a bad idea.

	26-10-2004 11:07									#11
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Most pathfinding algorithms will have trouble digesting pentagons and hexagons on the same map. It could be done, but it would probably limit possible map sizes and make pathfinding more resource intensive. If going with a spherical map, IMHO it is better to use irregular shaped "provinces" for layout because they would be just as resource intensive as hexagons + pentagons, but would allow for more variety in strategic placement and custom sizes.

	26-10-2004 11:24									#12
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Has the civ series always had squares...?

	27-10-2004 09:35									#13
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quote: Originally posted by trolluscaius i tink it could be cool lik the XCom series

Another XCom fan.

	27-10-2004 09:36									#14
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quote: Originally posted by jordie Has the civ series always had squares...?

Yep. Actual squares in Civ1 and isometric in Civ2 & 3.

	30-10-2004 00:32									#15
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No. If we are going to spend limited AI resources, this sort of eye candy can hold off- a better AI and several other ideas are better places to spend our resources.

	30-10-2004 03:36									#16
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I think they'd have to get rid of tiles altogether if they were to implement a 'round' Earth. Otherwise, I'd rather stick with the 'Mercator-projected', cylindrical Earth we have now. All the other solutions seem cheesy. Unfortunately, I don't see Civ being made tileless for a long time. I'm hoping it's done by Civ IX.

	30-10-2004 09:27									#17
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quote: Originally posted by GePap No. If we are going to spend limited AI resources, this sort of eye candy can hold off- a better AI and several other ideas are better places to spend our resources.

Agreed!

	30-10-2004 09:28									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Xorbon I think they'd have to get rid of tiles altogether if they were to implement a 'round' Earth.

Sounds like we have another supporter of vector-based movement.

	30-10-2004 22:31									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Vince278 Sounds like we have another supporter of vector-based movement.

You are correct!

However, I wouldn't want too many programming resources going towards this. I'm willing to wait 5+ years for a vector-based/tileless Civ. I'm satisfied with the 'board game' feel of tiled maps...for now.

	31-10-2004 01:30									#20
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Agreed.

	07-11-2004 23:40									#21
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An Ekert project (the split maps) would work just as well, without having to make a spinning globe.

	12-11-2004 03:05									#22
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I agree... put the game on a damn globe!!! not a cylinder...