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Yes, the guy with the Bow Tie. He is always a dick.

I loved the story of him and Franken- Carlson (our loveable tucker) said that liberals "sissify" politics. So Franken challenged Carlson to a fight- Tucker of course chickened out.

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he should have picked a sissier liberal to say that to.

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Wow. Wow. I read the transcript, and it seemed interesting, but just watching it...

Stewart said exactly what ex-Crossfire fans like me have been thinking for a while.

Jon Stewart

oh, and

Ted Striker

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I wish Franken would do that to O'Reily

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I just bought his book, BTW.


I put a hold on it from my library so hopefully I'll get it soon.

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Franken used to be a high school wrestler- I thinkg he would kick O'Reily's ass.

I agree with DD. And I hope O'Reily agreed.

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I doubt it. O'Reily looks like he has a strength and height advantage over him.

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But Franken knows how to fight.

Of course, if O'Reilly busted out a felafal, all bets are off.

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O'Reilly was big into high school sports. He might fare well against Franken. Although I don't think he did boxing or wrestling.

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Franken has the training for it, and O'Reily hardly appears very athletic. Given a choice between a guy who looks average and an ex-wrestler- I will go with the guy with experience.

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Franken look to fat to be much of a threat unless he knows how to Sumo wrestle.

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But that is the thing, Franken is NOT fat (having seen him in person)- that is more muslce-and why I think that with his wrestling training, would clean the floor with Mr. Phone Sex.

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Wrestlers know how to use their weight to overcome the opponent. Franken, even with a middle-aged gut, would destroy O'Reilly.

One of my best friends at my other school was an ex-wrestler. He ended up being a hippie-ish guy, and definitly put on a lot of weight. He got into a fight with a Freshman footballer, and took him down.

Plus, O'Reilly looks to prissy to fight.

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Wrestlers' solidarity, another reason to like Franken.

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Salon.com article:

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Jon Stewart: Crossfire "hurting America"

"I think you're a lot more fun on your show," said Tucker Carlson to "Crossfire" guest Jon Stewart this afternoon. "And I think you're as much of a dick on your show as on any other," Stewart shot back. It wasn't the faux avuncularity we've come to expect from Stewart on "The Daily Show" but there, of course, he's playing a role. Here he was himself -- and he wasn't buying any of it.

From the moment Stewart sat down he made no secret of how repugnant he found the show. In fact, he said to Carlson and co-host Paul Begala that he had been so hard on the show he felt it was his duty to come on and say to their faces what he has said to friends and in interviews. What he said was that their show was "hurting America," and he was being only slightly hyperbolic. Stewart told them that when America needed journalists to be journalists they had instead chosen to present theater.

Carlson, trying to affect an air of dry amusement that a comedian would presume to lecture him, important pundit that he is, but looking as if his bow-tie were about to start spinning, could barely contain his outrage. In an absolutely mind-boggling moment, Carlson tried to counter Stewart's criticism by pointing out that during John Kerry's recent appearance on "The Daily Show," Stewart asked the candidate softball questions. "If you want to measure yourself against a comedy show," Stewart said, "be my guest."

Paul Begala tried to put a more conciliatory face on things by pointing out that theirs was a "debate" show. Stewart was having none of it. "I would love to see a real debate show," he said. And went on to tell them that instead of holding politicians' feet to the fire by asking tough question, "you're part of their strategy. You're partisan -- what's the word? -- uh, hacks."

It's almost a cliche by now to talk about "The Daily Show" being more trusted than real newscasts, but Stewart showed why. He pointed out to Carlson that he had asked Kerry if he really were in Cambodia but "I don't care," and when Carlson asked him what he thought about the "Bill O'Reilly vibrator flap," Stewart said, "I don't." It was as concise a demonstration of the triviality of the media as you could hope for.

"I thought you were going to be funny," Carlson said toward the end of the interview. Stewart responded, "No, I'm not going to be your monkey." And that was what was so bracing.

Stewart's "Crossfire" appearance is going to generate talk about how prickly he was, how he wasn't "nice" like he is on "The Daily Show." But prickliness is just what was needed. If you've built your reputation as a satirist pointing out how the media falls down on the job, you're not going to make yourself a part of their charade.

I've heard people talk about "The Daily Show" as an oasis of sanity, a public service. I couldn't agree more. Stewart's appearance on "Crossfire" was another public service. He went on and acted as if the show's purpose really was to confront tough issues, instead of being the political equivalent of pro wrestling. Given a chance to say absolutely what he thought, Stewart took it. He accomplished what almost never happens on television anymore: He made the dots come alive.

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I think CNN knew what they were getting into:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRI...1/02/rs.00.html

"Reliable Sources" interview with Jon Stewart, Nov. 2002

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Nice.

I saw him on Charlie Rose a few months ago. Of course, Stewart didn't eviscerate Rose as he did these guys, as Rose is a real - what's the term? - journalist. Lots of great analysis though.

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Well, as Stewart probably would've predicted, Carlson is putting his own spin on what happened. Apparently, he believes that it is Stewart, not the soul-less hack Carlson, that looked ridiculous:

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041018/D85Q4VQO0.html

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Carlson on Monday fanned embers still hot from their "Crossfire" confrontation, saying Stewart looked ridiculous during his CNN appearance and was a sellout for publicly backing Democrat John Kerry for president.


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STEWART: No, honestly, I leave probably CNN on mostly all the time. Although the networks are not really meant to be watched all the time, which I realize now.

KURTZ: When did this come to you?

STEWART: As I was pulling my hair out...




Ahem.

It seems to be war. Novak says Stewart is a pretentious ****. Carvel corrects him by pointing out that Stewart is simply a pompous ass.

It appears that it is Stewart vs CNN in a cable television smack down.

My money's on Stewart.

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btw, I wonder where Ed Koch endorsing GWB, and slagging Kerry, tonight on TDS fits into the puzzle.

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The PWNage lives on!! Jon Stewart on pwning Crossfire:

http://laweekly.blogs.com/joshuah_b...ire_Fallout.mov

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:snif: Remembering Jon Stewart night brings a tear to my eye.

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JS maybe voting for kerry but he is fair in his criticisms of both sides. I also get the feeling from listening to him that he would vote for whoever he felt was the best candidate. I wish more of us were like that!!!!
STEWART FOR PRESIDENT!!!!

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The links to the clips don't seem to be working anymore.
Anybody know where i can get them?

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I really wish I saw that... pity I missed it.

It sounds awesome though... Stewart really pwned them.

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Found it on Limewire.

Jon Stewart
Crossfire
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