16-10-2004 11:35									#1
	LF's Three Arrows Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

I've just re-read this useful thread in the great library. One thing that seems different from my experience is the beakers required to discover technologies.

LF said:

"Tech #1: 10 beakers, tech #2: 18 beakers, tech #3: 24 beakers, tech #4: 36 beakers, tech #5: 45 beakers."

My experience is

tech 1 - 10 beakers; tech 2 - 22 beakers; tech 3 - 33 beakers; tech 4 - 48 beakers and tech 5 - 60 beakers.

Am I miscounting? Does it depend on game version? Is something happening with the key civ that distorts things? (I usually play with the orange civ and no starting techs.)

My numbers seem to agree with Samson assuming there is no modification, but there is a third set of numbers from Caeser the Great.

RJM at Sleeper's

	16-10-2004 19:36									#2
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

Map size influences the number of beakers, and LF's numbers look like they came from a small map game, while yours definitely are the ones used on a standard sized map.

	16-10-2004 22:26									#3
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

Re-reading Shakespeare or Victor Hugo is always a pleasure
I think solo gave the answer: size of map.

	19-10-2004 05:42									#4
	Full PM-box? Change here!

Caesar the Great's numbers were not all correct. Map size explains the difference between Samson and La Fayette, but I do think La Fayette's numbers may also have been altered by key civ factors; it just doesn't seem likely to me that the cost would increase by a decreasing amount. But I don't play small maps much, so maybe my "common sense" is wrong.