16-10-2004 21:30									#1
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I've browsed through various bug-threads etc without finding anything so here goes:


After I conquered the capital of another player in a PBEM (ironciver B), his capital jumped to another city. The city was a walled size 4 hill-city. Capital towns get city-size graphics, this also makes the wall become invisible. Appearantly, the wall also becomes indestructible.

The game has halted due to a crash so the following is based on observing the last two turns. (no testing done)

The last two turns, a group of 8 catapults have shelled the city, without causing any damage at all. With the wall having a base defence of 8, the odds of 16 failed catapult attacks is 1 in 656. If the wall gets the benefit of hills(not sure about this) the odds go down to 1 in 100.

While this behaviour is not statistically impossible, it is in the area of things only a few players will experience.


Is this a bug or just me having a very bad streak of RNG?


(my record in the other direction is two SGLs in one turn)

	16-10-2004 21:51									#2
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I know for a fact that walls in a capital town get destroyed by bombardment, even if you canot see them.

	16-10-2004 22:00									#3
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Yeah, but did the Capital move there in the same fashion 'mine' did?

Do walls get the benefit of terrain btw?



Getting a one in 656 ain't bad huh?

	16-10-2004 22:37									#4
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Yes to all three, although the last one doesn't apply to you (yet).

	16-10-2004 23:00									#5
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Nah, it drops to 1 in 100 then... still not bad.

At least it should make some of the other players shut up about my 'unnatural' luck

	17-10-2004 03:27									#6
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alex'll be right - 16 trials is not really enough to get a good indication. 3 times that amount MAYBE starting to show a trend.

quote: At least it should make some of the other players shut up about my 'unnatural' luck

Ah! The REAL reason for this thread!

	17-10-2004 15:51									#7
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Made another attempt, still no luck

Now I hit the '1 in 1000' mark

	17-10-2004 18:26									#8
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What about the Great Wall? Is it in play? I think I heard that cats will target and try to "destroy" even free walls granted by the Great Wall - which they naturally fail to...

	17-10-2004 18:29									#9
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I think that bug was adressed in one of the patches..

No GW in this game though...


City walls on hills got 75% change of surviving one catapult attack ( 8*1.5 / ((8*1.5)+4) )

The odds of surviving 24 attacks in a row is.. 1 in 997 actually, not 1 in 1000

	23-10-2004 11:31									#10
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So, how long did it take to land a critical blow on those walls? After I 'advanced the seed' in your save by taking the other city first, my third catapult strike took down the city walls. I think the RNG just dislikes 'information denial' proponents...

	23-10-2004 15:58									#11
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The walls are still there, I had to retreat to heal the protective pikes. Might give it another shot in a turn or two...