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Current Status
Gaians
Pop 13
Social Engineering
frontier, planned, wealth, none
Hive
Pop 52 (just what sort of growth rate did Buster give them?)
police state, planned, survival, none
Data Angels
Pop 13
frontier, planned, wealth, none
Spartans
Pop xx - 15 corrected pop
frontier, planned, survival, none
Morgan
Pop 12
frontier, free market, wealth, none
Cash on Hand 67
As it was previously agreed that we would pop the pod next to Morgan aerodynamics I popped it with the scout and got material pop for an autocomplete for the 'Half a SP on wheels'. I also worked the mechanics of the the crawler rush of the PTS at Morgan Industries. Yes, we can and should complete it even though it uses ALL of our crawlers.
Because of a lack of a road between Impalar Polymers and RFR the Probe will not be able to get there this turn.
LABS
Progentitore Tech
5 years per tech, two to go. This will definetly change once the PTS is completed.
Tech Cost 239, Accum 174, Per turn 59
Net Income 48 (prior to share to Sparta)
Income from Commerce 9
We owe Sparta 4 next turn. If they protest we'll tell them that we will not pay partial ECs but we will keep track of it so when another half EC occurs we'll give then the whole EC.
Military Situation
I can't see the Spartan gunship or any other non Morgn unit. There are no native life forms in sight (other than the fungul tower that isn't moving anytime soon).
Military Suggestions
1. Keep our southern probe parked in the fungus to guard the southrn approach.
2. Keep a certain amount of cash on hand so that we can probe any enemy units that invade our territory. I forget, and should check the rules but are we allowed to reverse engineer?
Other Thoughts/Concerns
1. Get a probe foil built and launched from the western shores (Morgan Mussels) as soon as possible.
2. Move that trans foil out of Morgan Mussels and towards the (hoped for) location of the Peackeepers and Uni as soon as possible.
3. Keep enough cash on hand to allow us to make use of our probes. They (their ability to buy enemy units) are the only effective defense we have.
4. Continue the crawler construction for the PEG.
Possible Rushes this Turn
Whohabitat - Former 44 - 6 (3 min) = 38
Morgan Vulcanolgy - CP- 28 - 8 (4 min) = 20
SSR - CP - 37 - 8 (4 min) = 29
I do not know how rushing the CPs would work because both Mor Vul and SSR are now at Pop 1. Will the completion of the PTS (it in our first built city) cause the pop of those cities to increase to 3 before the rush of the CPs? If so, then we may wish to rush those 2 CPs at the cost of 49 ECs.
[edited to correct Spartan pop]
Mead
Last edited by Mead on 19-10-2004 at 15:24
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Mead
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Do we send Sparta the 4 ECs this turn, or next turn?
If we got the benefit of the commerce this turn, then I think we should send them the 4 ECs (as a gift via the comm links) this turn.
If they do not complain about the .5 ECs (9 ECs/2 =4.5 ECs) they did not get, then I think we should not mention the .5 ECs. If they do complain about the .5 ECs then we should tell that either they don't get partial ECs (if we want to play hardball) or that we will keep track of the partial ECs and once we get enough partial ECs to make a whole EC then they will get the entire EC.
Mead
PS.
Because only 9 of our bases got commerce from Sparta, that should mean that even though they have a pop of 15 they only have 9 bases. What are their plans? Do they have several bases with a 2 or 3 pop? Or, are they trying to go for one or two 'specialist bases' already?
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arginine
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Kudos on getting the "half of a SP", that was some luck there.
Yes they produce zilch commerce. We want to be nice to them and we are getting map (albeit falsifyable) data to boot. They want to renegotiate in ~3 years (saving us the trouble of bringing it up) anyways.
Even if they do not renegotiate, we pay them an equal amount of ECON for commerce we recieve. once we get the PEG, our ECON will increase 50%.
I'll show it simply.
Commerce (in a few turns)
Us Other faction
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14 0
ECON we get (w/ PEG, assuming ECON is 100%)
21 0
How revenue redistribution is calculated:
( 14 + 0 ) / 2 = 7
Therefore, to adjust for the differences we make a payment of ECON to make up for this difference.
Revenue Redistribution payments
-7 +7
Final ECON
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14 7
Now, that doesn't look so bad 
Now that we will have the PTS, we might be able to contemplate becoming governor, provided we get Spartan backing and influence on the AIs.
I wonder if we could build crawlers, then when we get a offensive weapon tech, we cash many crawlers in on a single turn for the prototype of an infantry with the weapon.
I wonder if they would be stupid enough to fall for conquering one of our cities, and then us buying it back complete with spartan infantry. Reconquering cities is half price
Last edited by arginine on 19-10-2004 at 00:04
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Mead
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quote:
Originally posted by jtsisyoda
Mead, for me to use that mid-turn where you did agreed-upon moves, please post a file ASAP. |
I think this is it.
Please check ensure that I did everything right.
I did no rushes, other than the PTS, because it was unclear what to rush. I think I put stockpile after the PTS but please check. I also did very little with the formers because I did not know what we were going to do with them.
The turn is not complete. You will have to finish it.
Mead
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Mead
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Originally posted by jtsisyoda
Mead, for me to use that mid-turn where you did agreed-upon moves, please post a file ASAP. |
I think this is it.
Please check ensure that I did everything right.
I did no rushes, other than the PTS, because it was unclear what to rush. I think I put stockpile after the PTS but please check. I also did very little with the formers because I did not know what we were going to do with them.
The turn is not complete. You will have to finish it.
Mead
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Mead
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quote:
Originally posted by jtsisyoda
Mead, for me to use that mid-turn where you did agreed-upon moves, please post a file ASAP. |
Please check to ensure I did everything right.
The turn is not complete.
I only rushed the PTS becuase that was the only rush we agreed on. I did not rush anything else. I did not spend any cash or send any money to the Spartans. I think we have to send then 4 ECs (if we earned the cash this turn because of the treaty).
I did not do much with the formers because I was unsure what we were going to do.
Mead
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Mead
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Wow, triple post.
Sorry.
Mead
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Mead
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quote:
Originally posted by Whoha
Hey wait, is our total commerce 9? or is that our bonus above and beyond what the Spartans are getting? |
Yes.
It is both.
They are earning NOTHING in commerce. We are giving them half of our total profits. This is killing us. They have to helps us help them to generate commerce.
Are we earning 9 with 50% (4.5) going to Econ (EC production) and 50% (4.5) going to Labs? If so, then we are profiting nothing (other than Labs) from the treaty.
Is it their running of planned that is limiting thier commerce production?
We will need to revisit the agreement we have.
We should honor our agreement, but we will have to revisit it soon.
Mead
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Whoha
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The TOC is supposed to be classified guys...
Dec 2001
time: 23:20
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its only 5 turns, or about 22 credits.
Do they have industrial economics and industrial automation? both of these techs increase commerce rates and it would benefit us to trade them to the spartans for something(perhaps lower the cost of Gene-splicing or get HEC).
Last edited by Whoha on 18-10-2004 at 23:47
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arginine
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We have +3 commerce from our social settings in addition to Morgan's +1 commerce. Even so, we need a combined 9 energy in our city and theirs in order to get any commerce. That is why we get commerce and we have to do revenue sharing, so the other factions will get something from our commerce.
We're the only faction this early to get commerce, except for the planetary governor.
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Mead
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quote:
Originally posted by Whoha
I looked at the save, They do not have ind econ or IA, we should trade them both. |
Experts please help me, how will this help with their commerce rate?
If we were to trade these very valuable techs then we need to get some very good stuff back.
Monte, Lets Make a Deal (what do we want).
Mead
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Whoha
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The TOC is supposed to be classified guys...
Dec 2001
time: 23:20
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quote:
From alphax.txt
flags = Special tech flags
; 000000001 = "Secrets": first discoverer gains free tech
; 000000010 = Improves Probe Team success rate
; 000000100 = Increases commerce income
; 000001000 = Reveals map
; 000010000 = Allows gene warfare atrocity
; 000100000 = Increases intrinsic defense against gene warfare
; 001000000 = Increases ENERGY production in fungus
; 010000000 = Increases MINERALS production in fungus
; 100000000 = Increases NUTRIENT production in fungus
Industrial Economics, IndEcon, 0, 0, 5, 2, Indust, None, 000000100
Industrial Automation, IndAuto, 0, 1, 4, 3, IndEcon, PlaNets, 000000100
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Mead
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quote:
Originally posted by #endgame
Hold off on IA there, methinks.
Give them adaptive instead, after we snag PEG.
-- CTO #endgame |
Who else can they get it from?
And how soon do you think that they might get it anyway?
We might wish to wait, if we can, until after we meet some other factions (to see if we can get some military techs) before we make the trade.
Mead
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arginine
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quote:
Originally posted by Whoha
I looked at the save, They do not have ind econ or IA, we should trade them both. |
I thought they DID have IA last turn, at least I remember someone saying they did. It was a speculated Gaian-Spartan trade of IA for doc: mob.
A side question, do either the gaians or angels have flex: mob? I wonder what the other two factions have been up to.
I don't think adaptive increases commerce (it IS on the way to planetary economics)
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Mead
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quote:
Originally posted by Whoha
They dont have industrial economics, I checked that.
In any event, they are getting a hellishly good deal here. They didn't invest any of their research credits in commerce enhancing techs, and aren't running any econ +'s, didn't lose the ability to explore,and have until this point been building units in all likely hood, and are getting 1/2 of our total credits. We gotta alter this deal in 5 turns. |
Yep.
Mead
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arginine
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1) Those commerce enhancing techs are on the way to IA.
2) We are also getting +4 energy per base square by running FM/wealth. That is a pretty significant sum with all our bases.
3) We are getting some exploration data in addition. True it's not worth much, but they are only getting 5 ECs a turn. The unit's upkeep cost is 1 min~2 energy / turn.
4) We would be recieving 0 ECs instead of the 5 EC a turn if we had no deal. I expect the other humans to be aggressive negotiators.
When there is more commerce (and they are getting more money from us), we can reasonably ask for more freebies.
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arginine
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I had finished the turn myself, but since jtsisyoda is the official turn player I will not post it. I didn't do anything important, it was just changing around what was being built.
To move from 12 to 18 bases, we will need 6 CPs. This will give us the opportunity to make 3 1 pop military "support" cities. Those would be the only things we rush for a while (except for the last 4 minerals which only cost 2 EC apiece)
I would make Morgan Mussels, Morgan Vulcanology and either RFR (my personal preference) for its sea access, Whohabitat or Money Valley support cities, as all their land can be used by other cities. With another coastal support city, we can send out cheap foils for exploration, or easily mount a defensive navy. I would prefer a support city on the coast facing spartan territory, but we have none.
Anywho, I figured we should have 3 2 move probe teams (for offensive action), 3-4 def 1 move probe teams (against infiltration). The remaining cities should go formers or crawlers.
We should do some city planning before we plop down the next round of cities.
PS Sparta has a pop of 15, not 10 this turn.
Last edited by arginine on 19-10-2004 at 11:04
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COO, Morgan Industries, ACDG3
Jul 2003
time: 00:20
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I forgot screenshots... maybe somebody else can do those?
I rushed two CP's, which will happen after PTS pop growth. Our scouts need to find base sites ASAP.
I did some calculations... I wanted to see if it would be lucrative to do pod-booming. If some bases built a bunch of CP's, until pop goes to zero, and refound the base at size 3 again... we could send a bunch of CP's to the HQ with the node, for an SSC. Unfortunately, at this stage, it takes quite a few rows to produce all that population, plus the crawlers for food and the hab complex. So, it's more profitable at this stage to build rec tanks or crawlers. But I still recommend some defenses... synth rovers and probes.
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quote:
[SIZE=1]
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PS Sparta has a pop of 15, not 10 this turn. |
Whoops. He's right.
I'll fix it in my initial post.
Mead
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Mead
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Did we send the 4 ECs to the Spartans?
Mead
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