18-10-2004 09:08									#1
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Ok here's the initial thought I had with this potential new forum game. Looks like there are some interest so I thought perhaps we could do a little test run after we give it some thought and discussions.

The basic idea is this:

1. The game will start with one vampire, who looks exactly like the other in the daytime, but comes out and hunt for blood in the night.

2. He would find two victims every night, one he would kill by suck dry his/her blood, and the other would not be entirely dead because the vampire doesn't drunk all of his blood (perhaps he's full ...) and so he becomes a new vampire.

3. On the next day, people decide democratically how many and whom are possibly vampires that needs to be excuted.

4. The next night all vampires go out, each kills two people, one will die and the other becomes a vampire.

5. People can PM the GM to go to another person's house at night. If the person is a vampire, the vampire would be notified, and he can choose to kill or not kill the victim. If a vampire's target is accompanied by another person then he cannot get his kill. Of course the vampire can also go to stay with somebody else if he feels like.

6. Only two people can stay together at night. The third person would be turned away.

7. If a vampire do not get to drink blood for a night he dies.

8. If a vampire do not get to drink enough blood (ie. he only get to kill one person) for three nights he dies.

9. The idea is that more roleplays would be required from the players. Each player will have to choose a profession and residance, and should go out and do something in the daytime everyday.

10. When there are no more vampires the villagers win. When there are no more villagers the remainning vampires win.


I still am not sure if a vampire's target is another vampire, what's gonna happen. If they know each other, would this be a problem? Or should one die?

I'd love to hear more thoughts on the durability of this.

	18-10-2004 09:21									#2
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I know it's borrowing from V:tM and V:tR two great P&P RPGs, but if one vamp targets another vamp, the age could be a factor so that each night the vamp becomes more powerful.

Thus Vamp Kass wants to feed off Vamp Duke but Vamp Duke has been around for three rounds while Kass has only been a vamp for this first round (turned last turn). Vamp Duke gets the kill either on top of, or in place of, the feed kill?

If both Kass and Duke were made on the same night, say round 2's night (if I'm understanding the system correctly) then it would be if one or the other is the first kill or not. If Kass listed Duke as his first kill and Duke listed Kass as his second (or vice versa) then the one with the first slot would win out. If both had the first slot then they would die in a bloody brawl where the GM would decide when/if/how the two bodies were discovered.

If they both have the other in the second change slot, they'd also die a bloody death.

Thus vamps have to be wary of other vamps, and can't just galavant around trying to kill. Perhaps rather than the whole leftover vamps winning out, the game then falls to each vamp vying to figure out who is the oldest. For instance have each have the option of teaming up with somebody else and going down to only one kill per night for each vamp.

Though no idea on how, say, Vamp Duke kills mortal FF and wants to change vamp Kass yet vamp Kass is already a vamp. Each maybe finds out the other is a vamp and nothing else takes place?

Just some ideas/thoughts. I like the concept though. Especially the more unique take on the vampire curse (still able to go to the day job).

It does look like the kill/conversion per vamp per night will make these really short games if there's not a large group though.

	18-10-2004 09:30									#3
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The vampire who made the new vampire will certainly be awared of the new vampire. Will he then have an incentive to kill him then if the oldest always wins?

It is very easy to get to multiple vampires I reckon, but then people could avoid dying by teaming up. Now if two people have teamed up for mulitple turns they would very certainly stick to each other to the end. I guess another rule would be they can not stay with the same people every turn. Hmmm ... Is this too complicated?

	18-10-2004 10:23									#4
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I got an idea. A vampire can only choose to go to a person's house. If that house is empty, either because the residence had gone to another person's house, or because it was a vampire that went out for his own kill, this vampire do not get his kill.

	18-10-2004 11:10									#5
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This is sounding to be an interesting concept, as players would be more active than in a typical Mafia game.

Another point to work out: when multiple vampires go after the same person, what happens?

Vampires seem to be a popular theme in the forum game community, wonder when it'll make its way into the other ones.

	18-10-2004 11:32									#6
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Hmmm a good point. I think the first one who PMed me would get the kill and the next one would found an empty body. What do you think? Even if it was going to turn to a new vampire? Or should he be sucked dry and not become a vampire?

	18-10-2004 11:40									#7
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well, how long does the human-->vampire transformation take place? Instantaneous? Or does it take to the next morning?

	18-10-2004 11:47									#8
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I'd say next morning.

	18-10-2004 11:48									#9
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If it was the same night then the new vampire would go out in the same night and more people would become a vampire and go out ... The entire village would be gone.

	18-10-2004 14:11									#10
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Can a normal person goes into another house during the day to see if there's a coffin in there with somebody inside?

	18-10-2004 19:12									#11
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The vampires are special here. They don't sleep in a coffin in the day time. They go about doing businesses like everybody else.

I was thinking perhaps not every vampire will create a new vampire every night. The first vampire will have to drink the blood of two people to create a dead body (so people will know) and another vampire. But after that it could just be that one victim turns into vampire randomly.

	18-10-2004 21:24									#12
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Why not letting the first vampire be the 'kingmaker'. He's the only one who can make new vampires at will.

Only one victim/vampire/night. But the initial one either chooses to feed, or to create a new vampire... he hasn't drunk enough blood when he does so, but he can survive that so no problem there. Villagers would be notified of course of the existence of a new vampire if no-one was 'sucked dry' last night.

	18-10-2004 21:33									#13
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Who's gonna notify them?

And if only the first vampire can make new vampire what happens if he was caught by the villager by accident?

	18-10-2004 21:36									#14
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Oh and the staying with same people for two nights part. The vampire would observe them the first night without killing. But the next night he'd able to find a time when one of them leaves the other say goes to wash his hands or something and he will make a kill. So it is not prohibited if people want to stay together for multiple nights they just have to bear the risk.

	18-10-2004 21:47									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Snowflake Who's gonna notify them?

Because there is one less victim then there should be for the number of vampires known.
If the first vampire on the first night doesn't 'suck' someone, then the villagers just know there are two next night.

quote: And if only the first vampire can make new vampire what happens if he was caught by the villager by accident?

Then there are two possibilities: or the new 'kingmaker' is the first person made a vampire by the previous one , or all the vampires still in existence must thread carefully from then on. I think the last option is most viable as to give the vampires not too much of a chance to win.

	18-10-2004 22:07									#16
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quote: Originally posted by GeoModder Because there is one less victim then there should be for the number of vampires known. If the first vampire on the first night doesn't 'suck' someone, then the villagers just know there are two next night.

I'm trying to make it more sensible in roleplay. If there is no victim nobody would know the existence of a vampire. The number of vampire can be guessed but it would not be known.

quote: Then there are two possibilities: or the new 'kingmaker' is the first person made a vampire by the previous one , or all the vampires still in existence must thread carefully from then on. I think the last option is most viable as to give the vampires not too much of a chance to win.

That sounds to me like adding more complication to an already complicated game.

	19-10-2004 00:50									#17
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Okay.

When and where is the sign-up?

	19-10-2004 01:03									#18
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I guess I could start something tonight and see if we have enough people to have a test run.

	19-10-2004 01:16									#19
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I'll join.

Can I be the eccentric doctor who tries to make everyone wear a necklace of garlic?

	19-10-2004 01:19									#20
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I suppose this is much alike Mafia in terms of how to play? I'm in.

	19-10-2004 02:19									#21
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Yeah I'll try.
How about a dangerous garlic/cyanide stick. This could only be held for one turn at a time, but gives immunity to Vampire attack. The stick has a useful life of 5/7/10 ? turns. The recipient must pass it on (copy to GM and recipient), holding on to it is death (likewise passing it nowhere is death, in which case the stick then reverts to previous owner). Getting it back again after a turn elsewhere is OK. A vampire receiving the garlic/cyanide stick is also protected from another vampire attack but may be prevented from attacking someone else that turn?. Confused betcha?

This counter antidote would introduce a random villager element and more intrigue but the power of the stick does run out after x turns. A question is should you know who sent you the stick or should that be hidden and the stick sent by the now (overworked) GM.

	19-10-2004 02:43									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Hercules and the stick sent by the now (overworked) GM.

That's a good idea. I'll give it some thought. Its entire existence could be through PMs...

	19-10-2004 03:03									#23
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	19-10-2004 11:55									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Snowflake The vampires are special here. They don't sleep in a coffin in the day time. They go about doing businesses like everybody else.

Yeah right.

	19-10-2004 20:03									#26
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You'll know why when the story unfolds ...

	19-10-2004 20:51									#27
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Yes, please use the other thread at this point.