18-10-2004 22:03									#1
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We should think about this prospect. The way I see it, it depends on Spartans (they have five commlinks and Yang six - trading Lal's frequency to Yang enables Yang to convene the council). We should have a strategy outright for this. The way I see it, best is to deny governorship to other factions (since it enables them infiltration), unless they are ready to pay a very hefty price for it. We would do best voting for Yang or other AI, if there is a possibility in order that no team can use it. It will still be some time before we will have population large enough to compete with others. Your thoughts?

	19-10-2004 02:03									#2
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With their 50 population, the Hive pretty much wins if elections are called. I don't know who would be the other on the ballot, but it would probably be another AI. In any case, it doesn't matter to me which AI gets elected, as long as no human player is elected. Giving up infiltration information and a trade advantage would require an extremely elaborate bribe.

	19-10-2004 12:18									#3
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Yep, I'd say if possible get an AI voted in.

	19-10-2004 14:02									#4
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I say
1.vote for us if possible,
2.if not - ask if someone wants to buy our votes

	21-10-2004 00:19									#5
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When would we not vote for ourselves? I take it this is really a vote for when we have no chance of winning.

In which case I am not above whoring out my vote......but I am one high priced hooker
Basically it would need to hurt them more than they would gain from being govenor. In which case it is unllikely anyone would make such a deal.

Of course all this brings up the Empath Guild. I assume this a much higher priority in a MP game than a SP one. And since Cent. Empathy is a very useful tech for us anyway, perhaps we should put some emphasis on getting it soon.

	21-10-2004 00:53									#6
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The Empath Guild is disabled in this game precisely because it's such a high priority.

It is very unlikely we will have one of the top two vote totals, given that Yang has 50 votes and Lal probably has more than half our population. Therefore, we need to pick who to vote for besides ourselves. As stated before, Yang looks like the safest place to throw votes.

	21-10-2004 00:54									#7
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Hmmm... after looking over the options carefully, although I vote for 'an AI with the best chance of winning', I assume we will vote for ourselves if the chance provides itself first.

I want to avoid having another human team as Chairperson (er... persons), going by Hive's general betrayal of CPU in the last game after they got the Chair.

	21-10-2004 14:08									#8
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Hmm, maybe let's vote for Lal - to vote for Hive will unnecessarily boost it I think (if it has any allies) and we wont be able to get a good vote for Planetary Trade Pact and other very needed issues I think..

	21-10-2004 21:20									#9
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We already have infiltration on the Hive.. Ever hear the saying,"Better the madman you know than the devil you don't?" We don't know anything really about Lal yet.... Just something to consider....

	21-10-2004 21:39									#10
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Well, if Lal can prevail, I would vote for him - does it rate with AI relations? I just don't want other human factions to get the info easily.

	22-10-2004 11:59									#11
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Exactly. Last time taught me that if we can't get it, deny it to the other non-AIs wherever possible.

	22-10-2004 13:58									#12
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quote: We already have infiltration on the Hive.. Ever hear the saying,"Better the madman you know than the devil you don't?" We don't know anything really about Lal yet.... Just something to consider....

Ouro_827, please read my entire post!

What can you get if Yang is governor and you propose Planetary Trade Pact - a veto!

And Lal is surely weaker than Hive + we could get 1 friendly AI with this!

Uni will be our tech-cow..

	22-10-2004 21:25									#13
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I read the entire post.... So you think that Lal wouldn't veto the Pact? And why exactly is that? Because Yang doesn't seem to like anything? Good enough for me....

	25-10-2004 18:47									#14
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quote: I read the entire post.... So you think that Lal wouldn't veto the Pact? And why exactly is that? Because Yang doesn't seem to like anything? Good enough for me....

From my expierence:
Lal vetoes Pact and other good things only if he has no friends..
Lal ALWAYS vetoes "repeal U.N. charter"

Yang ALWAYS votes for "repeal U.N. charter"
Yang doesn't veto Pact only if he's getting LOADS of commerce (which he isn't likely to do in any normal game)

Remember, I'm an AI Diplomacy Advisor..

	25-10-2004 21:34									#15
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We can make a more informed decision when the council is convened and we see everyone's vote totals.

	25-10-2004 21:47									#16
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AI first, and Lal over Yang. Deny the Gov-ship to any human faction.

	25-10-2004 21:47									#17
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quote: Lal ALWAYS vetoes "repeal U.N. charter"

I think I managed to get him to abstain once, I'm not sure,

	25-10-2004 21:55									#18
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quote: Deny the Gov-ship to any human faction.

If the faction can become a good ally, and we can co-operate, we can request intelligence too! It might be beneficial if we get a good bribe at the same time...

	25-10-2004 21:57									#19
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quote: If the faction can become a good ally, and we can co-operate, we can request intelligence too! It might be beneficial if we get a good bribe at the same time...

The only faction from which we can get what you describe "good bribe" are Morganites and their gain from Govship is far too big (with +1COMMERCE)

	25-10-2004 21:59									#20
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Negative. Every ally is temporary. Unless they pay us very dearly we should deny our vote to any human faction, regardless of level of trust.

	25-10-2004 22:00									#21
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Every faction gains the same benefits from Governorship - universal infiltration and +1 energy per base involved in commerce with each faction it's involved with. The Morganites' +1 commerce goes on top of this, but does not enhance the Governorship bonus.

	25-10-2004 22:00									#22
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Good bribe in techs? Later on?

Bear in mind the Governor factions will not gain +1 Commerce, they merely gain +1 energy in all commerce transactions.

	25-10-2004 22:47									#23
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quote: Every faction gains the same benefits from Governorship - universal infiltration and +1 energy per base involved in commerce with each faction it's involved with. The Morganites' +1 commerce goes on top of this, but does not enhance the Governorship bonus.

Dear CT you must read the formula for commerce - commerce depends much on base energy output and Morgan definitely has the biggest, therefore gain is proportionally bigger..

	25-10-2004 23:27									#24
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If you refer that Morgan can more easily get commerce routes because of increased energy production it is correct BT, but his claim stands - gain is equal for all factions, +1 per energy transaction. But bonus commerce trade is most useful for Morgans