20-10-2004 07:36									#31
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in any case.

any study that surveys pupil teacher ratios is bullshit. That has nothing to do with being smart.

	20-10-2004 07:37									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Verto What was # 50?

Texas and West Virginia tied... leaving 49

	20-10-2004 07:37									#33
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New Mexico. They messed up the numbering, as there was a tie at 33.

	20-10-2004 07:37									#34
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I have much to learn from DanS still.

	20-10-2004 07:47									#36
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Wow! Utah is in the top...30....

	20-10-2004 07:49									#37
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A few of the criteria have nothing to do with acutal intelligence or beings "smart," like class size as mentioned.

Very biased all together.

	20-10-2004 07:58									#38
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Show the bias. Where's the bias? What would you have included to make it less biased?

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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos A few of the criteria have nothing to do with acutal intelligence or beings "smart," like class size as mentioned.

Its more like a scale of education quality, which class size has much to do with.

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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar Its more like a scale of education quality, which class size has much to do with.

bullshit (as I've said before). Class size has nothing to do with what grades you get or your education level.

I'd like to see a survery based on test scores alone. That's all I ask for.

	20-10-2004 08:00									#41
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So then it really doesn't have much to do with Blacks and Hispanics themselves, but how much each state puts into the education of Blacks and Hispanics.

VERTO IS A RACIST! SOUTHERN LEGISLATURES ARE RACIST! (well...it seems to be true)

	20-10-2004 08:00									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident bullshit (as I've said before)

Yes, because its very easy to get personal education in a room of 50 screaming monkeys

	20-10-2004 08:00									#43
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Diss, I work with kids.

There is no question--none, zero, period--that kids in smaller classes tend to do better than kids in bigger classes.

	20-10-2004 08:03									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar Yes, because its very easy to get personal education in a room of 50 screaming monkeys

ahh good example.

Tell me how one gets more education in a classroom full of 25 screaming monkeys vs. 50 screaming monkeys?

you don't.

the reason education sucks in this country is lack of discipline and a culture that no longer values education. Look to Asia for cultures that value education. They rose from nothing to the leaders of the world.

I say bring back the paddle

	20-10-2004 08:03									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Guynemer Diss, I work with kids. There is no question--none, zero, period--that kids in smaller classes tend to do better than kids in bigger classes.

out of curiousity, what is the typical class size in Japan? If it is less than the U.S. then I will believe you. It might be less, I've never looked it up.

	20-10-2004 08:08									#46
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quote: Its more like a scale of education quality, which class size has much to do with.

Not true. Tell me how many colleges do not use the uber large auditorium scale classroomes, from any region.

The main factor in education of any type, in my experiance (which is of course biased) is motivation and your willingness to listen. Both independant of class size and alot of other variables.

Who cares what the class size is if you parents are ass clowns who didn't teach you to pay attention.

Out of interest, does the original poster have any comparisons of state colleges, where such misnomer variables are irrelevant (hint, some states have a much larger in state attendance rate than others).

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quote: Tell me how one gets more education in a classroom full of 25 screaming monkeys vs. 50 screaming monkeys?

Its easier for the teacher to zero in on students having troubles, its easier for the student (and the teacher) to concentrate on the lesson and on their work, and its generally easier to dispense knowledge when you have a smaller class.

Even if we assume they aren't all screaming and off doing their own thing, its still easier for knowledge to be dispensed and for people to be assisted in a smaller clasroom, especially if your the only teacher there.

quote: Tell me how many colleges do not use the uber large auditorium scale classroomes, from any region.

Tell me, which group is likely to be more mature and pay attention to what the teacher is saying: Adolscent students or college students?
Its been my experience that those who are in college tend to be more willing to listen and more motivated to complete the class as opposed to high school level students

	20-10-2004 08:18									#48
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so you are telling me college kids are mature?

Are you saying the movie Animal House is not an accurate reflection of college life?

	20-10-2004 08:19									#49
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I'm still gloating about Iowa being in the top ten.

	20-10-2004 08:21									#50
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun I'm still gloating about Iowa being in the top ten.

see what good ole' conservative family values does for a state?

	20-10-2004 08:22									#51
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no -- but moderate liberalism, yes

	20-10-2004 08:34									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident so you are telling me college kids are mature?

Than high school students? Of course.

	20-10-2004 08:38									#53
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35! 35! 35!

Nevada = worse than ARKANSAS in education

ARKANSAS

Nevada

	20-10-2004 08:46									#54
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quote: Its been my experience that those who are in college tend to be more willing to listen and more motivated to complete the class as opposed to high school level students

HA, you must have gone to a very small or very elite college.

And of course you maturity judgement is based solely on those who actually showed up for class.

	20-10-2004 09:01									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka I'd like to point out what's bad is best at being not good, and good is far away from that,

No what's bad is NOT best at being not good. What's worst is. What's bad is only good at being not good, not best.

Now being in the middle, that IS the best. Not good, not bad either. And THAT is the best.

	20-10-2004 09:22									#56
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So Patro: How is it biased? Or is that just a statement you use for anything you disagree with that you can't back up?

	20-10-2004 09:24									#57
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quote: Now being in the middle, that IS the best. Not good, not bad either. And THAT is the best.

The nail that sticks out is the one that gets hammered down.

	20-10-2004 09:29									#58
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And the guns only shoot the bird that sticks his head out.

	20-10-2004 10:11									#59
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	20-10-2004 10:26									#60
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