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Ned
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of Aptos, CA
Oct 1999
time: 21:21
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Originally posted by MrFun
I have been gone all day in Springfield, doing research for my thesis.
In spite of the tentative, positive changes with states' rights in recent years, because of its much longer history of states' rights have been used to beat down minority groups, I still believe that the federal government can provide stronger protection of equal rights than individual states. This is part of my liberal outlook.
Another part of my liberal outlook is that the poor cannot pull themselves up by their own bootstraps if they do not have bootstraps to pull themselves up with, in the first place. Again, the federal government has more resources available to tackle poverty, which is essentially, a nationwide, chronic problem rather than state-by-state anyway. When states take on separate iniatives that complement federal programs, that's great too, in my book. People who are lazy and want to misuse the welfare system do not deserve any help until they get off their asses -- but the people that try to go by the rules and still fall flat on their face definitely deserve temporary assistance. |
Since I share the same views, does that make you a radical right winger too? These ideas are pure Republican Party. The left wants a lot more than simply providing for equal rights and a social safety net, they want socialism, the end goal of which is economic equality for all. You do not share that goal, apparently. So I find it strange that you would align yourself with the radical left by calling yourself a liberal.
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Pax
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Originally posted by Ned
A commie is not opposed to killing, so long as the one killed favors freedom. |
Ned,
Communism does not equal oppression. Your brand of democracy does not equal freedom. I am convinced that you really don't give a **** about democracy. So why are you so hard on Communism. The communist governments of the past seem to fit closer to your true ideology.
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Pax
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Originally posted by Ned
PAX, if you equate totalitarianism with freedom, and economic equality with lack of oppression, then communism is the only form of government that is free and in which there is no oppression. |
I do not equate communism with totalitarianism or oppression. I also only equate democracy with every citizen having the opportunity to vote. That vote could be used for evil just as a communist system could be used for evil. I'm willing to bet that democracy has oppressed and killed more people than communism has even had the opportunity to. Whole cultures and races have been virtually wiped out under democratic countries. It's not the system that make it bad it's the people. You scare me no matter what you claim your preferred political system to be.
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Pax
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
I wouldn't take that bet, unless you include the effects that actual "democracies" have had upon the rest of the world, such as in Africa, despite Africa being realtively free of democracy itself. |
Che,
I do include Africa but I probably don't have to.
Ned,
Open your history book.
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Pax
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Ned,
I'm going to spend the globe for you.
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Pax
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http://www.history-compass.com/Pilo...cideArticle.htm
http://www.serendipity.li/wod/hongkong.html
Ned,
These are just 2 examples of democracy in action. You can travel the globe and notice the absence of the original inhabitants and chalk it up to the gift of democracy. I joke once again, it's not because the country was a democracy that these things happened. It's because people who think like you were in charge of the democratic countries.
Last edited by Pax on 23-10-2004 at 03:31
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