21-10-2004 02:24									#1
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i try and try to make money in Civ but can't seem to get past a few thousand dollars in the bank account. anyone have any strategies. I look at some computer civs and they have 18000 or 25000 dollars. how can they possibly get that much but any way looking for suggestions on people who are good at accummulating money. thanks

	21-10-2004 03:25									#2
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First it is best to give some parameters. IOW what are the settings, such as level and map size and number of civs.

I do not see the AI with that kind of cash, is this by any chance C3C without any of the later patches? In that case you could be seeing the gold bug.

Presuming it is C3C and has the patch, then I am clueless as to how the AI got to such levels of gold. The AI will normally spend all it has and run near zero income.

Later in the game a KAI or two can get lots of gold from trades and a massive empire.

The way for you to make some cash is to develop your empire. Make roads on all worked tiles and use rivers or other commerce friendly tiles over other tiles when all else is equal.

Take care to not build structures in cities that cannot take advantage of them. That is do not build barracks in cities that will not need to make troops and don't make troops in every city.

Don't but universities in small cities, same for many structures. Look at what they do for you and what they cost to maintain.

Try to get a tech lead and sell techs, best if you can keep some of the civs broke, then they won't research as fast.

Maybe trade a spare luxs or resource for gpt, if you have some to spare.

	21-10-2004 03:26									#3
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PS, I forgot to mention many things, but one is important. Get out of despotism ASAP. Get to Monach or Rep, depending on your plans.

Get your empire as large quickly as is feasible. More pop means more worked tiles.

	21-10-2004 03:42									#4
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ok. you hit on one point I am playing on monarchy level c3c but I am using a mod so they may have something to do with it. I am not really worried about how much gold the AI have just how get mine up to that level. you made some interesting points I never think of. the major one is don't build units in every city and don't build improvements in every city. i build every inmprovement in every city so thats a good point. I will try some of those things and see what happen. thanks

	21-10-2004 06:18									#5
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and the computer cheats . How else could theyg et 20,000 gold?

although in my games they usually have nothing. I try to trade techs, but trading away even something worthless like Feudalism when I'm already in the industrial age for 10 gold just doesn't seem right.

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quote: Originally posted by Dissident and the computer cheats . How else could theyg et 20,000 gold?

It's easy. Get a decent economy, never set science over 50%, don't start stupid wars and don't ever rush buildings. In my games the Carthaginians seem to always have a huge pile of gold, around the end of the medieval times. They can pay ridiculous amounts of gpt for my outdated techs, so I don't mind.

	21-10-2004 17:14									#7
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Please post a save as an example.

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I don't have a save with a backward and rich AI, because it's hard to meet one. It would require a special situation where they almost never go to war. The only time I actually saw this was in a game with a truly bad start (tiny jungle island). I sucked when I first met the big continent. At the end of medieval times the Carthaginians had over 10000 cash and a tech lead, with only 4 cities.

The save is from PTW, with Polish names and probably slight rule modifications. I don't know if it will open properly. "Carthage" is called "Kartagina".

Attachment: modo - osmanie, 1230 rok.sav
This has been downloaded 2 time(s).

	21-10-2004 18:16									#9
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like i say I am playing a mod so unable to post but for the most part all civs are broke. I wish it wasn't like that but they are. there are always 2 to 3 that have a brick load of money as I look on in envy. well I mean I can post but you won't be able to see it will you.

	21-10-2004 20:21									#10
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quote: Originally posted by vmxa1 ... is this by any chance C3C without any of the later patches? In that case you could be seeing the gold bug.

I think I might be playing with the orginal version of C3C - how does this money bug work? any documentation?

	21-10-2004 21:13									#11
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cad4life - you cna post screenshots.

I screenshots

	21-10-2004 22:55									#12
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that is true. let me get one up. thanks

	21-10-2004 23:01									#13
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how do you post a screen print.

	21-10-2004 23:02									#14
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quote: Originally posted by cad4life how do you post a screen print.

As long as it is less than the allowed size for your account and in the format limits:

	21-10-2004 23:05									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Shr3dZ I think I might be playing with the orginal version of C3C - how does this money bug work? any documentation?

Basically it double pays on any gpt deal that is made. So the AI can make a deal with another AI and it will get paid twice. The payer does not pay twice, only once.

So you could see lots of gold floating around.

	21-10-2004 23:07									#16
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what command are you using. I am pressing control V and it is not pasting anything.

	21-10-2004 23:24									#17
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See the browse button i nmy image. You open a post reply, not quick reply, and select the browse and point to the file on your hard drive.

It needs to be less the max allowed and filetype of jpg/bmp and such.

So take the screen shot and save it to your disk. I use desktop as I will delete it after I post.

	21-10-2004 23:41									#18
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i have the picture saved but its telling me its too big. can i email it to you and you post it. its 2.25 MB. that way you can see what I am talking about.

	22-10-2004 00:14									#19
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Sure, but I can't post one that large. It is a bmp file? If so convert it to jpg and see how big it is then.

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	22-10-2004 06:11									#20
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Probably have to resize it? I believe the limit's 500 by 500 pxls unless you have a subscriber account.

	24-10-2004 01:01									#21
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anyway...

money is to be spent. use it to build things faster, to upgrade units, to trade with the AI... a large and unused sum of money doesn't do you any good.

	24-10-2004 02:20									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Barinthus Probably have to resize it? I believe the limit's 500 by 500 pxls unless you have a subscriber account.

I should have mentioned to resize to 800 as well.

	25-10-2004 05:52									#23
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