05-11-2004 00:22									#31
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I don't think we should 'ask' for anything, beyond the punishment as stated in the rules - a skip of turns for the second offence, as we believe them to be guilty of this. I don't want there to be any precedents of diversion from punishments as dictated by the rules. That way lies madness (and events in the PTWISDG).

	05-11-2004 02:07									#32
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Its seems that FortyJ has cleared CDG of the 1.7 rules violations at least:

http://cdgroup.org/forums/site/mpm/...php?p=1658#1658


To clear this up I sent this PM to FortyJ asking specifically about the 1.8 rules violation:

quote: FortyJ I just want to get a clarification. I noticed you posted in the "Announcement to the World" thread by CDG that CDG was cleared of any wrong doing. On the 1.7 possible rule violation, I have a tendency to agree, at most it may have been in a gray area. What I and my team (APOLY) are wondering about is the chat with PAL and the possible 1.8 rules violation. Apoly's feeling is that is a pretty cut and dry violation. (PAL is our ally in this game) and shared this information with us, we now have a mutual forum together. We will abide by your rulings plain and simple, and we won't whine about it. I just wanted to check that your post in the forum also cleared CDG of the possible 1.8 rules violation. Because like I said we thought it was pretty cut and dry and you didn't specifically say they were cleared of both charges. I realize the charges for 1.8 were not made public and if thats the reason you were not more specific we will honor that confidence. Anyway if you could clear this up for Apoly (and PAL), I would appreciate it. Thanks conmcb25 Team Captain Apolyton

	05-11-2004 03:52									#33
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Regarding Rule 1.8 ...

It prohibits gifting cities.
No cities were gifted.
Therefore no violation.

Sure they offered.. but thats probably just ignorance of the rules.
But because PAL refused, then no actual transfer went through.

Slap 'em on the wrist and keep the game moving is my opinion.

	05-11-2004 06:53									#34
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This is the FortyJ admin ruling on 1.8:

quote: Issue #2 Summary The following day, FriedrichPsitalon from PAL accused CDG of violating yet another rule. In this second accusation, PAL charges CDG with violating rule 1.8 in that during negotiations between the teams, CDG offered to gift cities to PAL in exchange for a cessation of hostilities and an alliance between the two nations. Applicable Rule 1.8 Enjoining Teams Description: No team or individual is permitted to barter, gift, or otherwise trade multiple cities with the intent of joining teams to destroy another team and keep both teams alive to survive to the end. If a team decides to drop out however, its players are allowed to change teams as permitted under Section 0.3. Definition: A team trading one or more cities to another team for the purpose of either granting that team an advantage (premature contact with another civ, map information, etc.), or denying an aggressor the right of conquest. Trading and or gifiting cities is permitted, but each transaction shall be reviewed by the administrators of the game. If a specific transaction is considered to be in violation of the spirit of this law, then the traded/gifted cities may be forcibly returned to their original owner(s) or simply abandoned at the sole discretion of the administrators. As a general rule, the administrators will consider city gifts/trades that are temporary in nature (ie. only a few turns in duration) and those given/traded for the purpose of granting a team an advantage (premature contact, map information, etc.) or to deny another team the right of conquest to be against the spirit of this law. Purpose: To prevent the use of outside game elements to break the spirit of the game by allowing contact and location information to be traded before they are allowed in-game or to unfairly prevent a conquering civ from taking your cities. Verdict: Using this exploit or any other exploit that allows any contact or location information trading before the tech is discovered through any means is a violation of this rule. Punishment Level: Once – Orange (1-5 Turns and/or Cities), Repeat Offense - Red (5+ turns, Double cities given, and possible ejection, suspension, or expulsion). Analysis The definition provided with this rule spells out two cases for applying this rule: trading a city to provide an unfair advantage to a team, and trading cities to deny an aggressor the spoils of conquest. Clearly the first situation does not apply in this case, so we shall discount it and waste no further energy on it. However, the question is: does the second situation apply? At first glance, one might conclude that this offer does violate this rule, but in this situation, the admin staff disagrees. A strict interpretation of this rule would deny a team the right to negotiate a surrender against an enemy (at least to include cities in such a negotiation). This seems illogical as surrender is as valid an ending to war as conquest. Conclusion As PAL is an aggressor against CDG in this conflict, we consider this offer to be a bid for peace - a conditional offer of surrender. As such, we believe CDG to be innocent of this charge.

I say we just let dead dogs lie and kill the pigs

	05-11-2004 06:54									#35
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By the way

I told FortyJ we would respect the confidential nature of this info. So please dont blabber about it at the UN!

	05-11-2004 18:36									#36
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Beatches. OK, lets just kill them and get it over with.

	05-11-2004 19:11									#37
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quote: Originally posted by GodKing Beatches.

Um no its actually "pregnant dogs"

	05-11-2004 19:56									#38
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I have sent this PM to FortyJ:

quote: FortyJ Thanks for the clarification. I have already told my team and reminded them that this was confidential information. As I said in my initial PM we shall abide by your ruling and move on. Thanks again and thanks for all your work. I almost hated to ask because I know you have been running around like a three legged mule on this game and the PtW one. So incase no one else has told you: Thanks from the whole group for your efforts. conmcb25 Team Captain Apolyton

I say we move on and just exterminate the heathens

	05-11-2004 22:06									#39
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Yep. We move on. CDG's demise is what's important.

Very good PM to FortyJ, too.

--Togas

	06-11-2004 00:28									#40
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Good note you pregnant dog you.

	06-11-2004 02:09									#41
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quote: Originally posted by GodKing Good note you pregnant dog you.

Thanks

Its too bad we are the only ones having fun at the bananacookieexchange

	06-11-2004 23:00									#42
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I know. A true shame our elected leaders have not choosen to visit.