05-11-2004 23:08									#91
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Why not just vote Republican then?

Because centrist Democrats like Clinton aren't Republicans. Because the democrats are going to work for the average man and not the big corporations, because the Democrats are going to help you and your family get the education you need in the modern world, because the centrists are going to be strong on defense but not give away billions to defense contractors who don't perform, because unlike the neo-cons the centrists know how to balance the budget, because centrist Democrats are going to put people first along with small businesses and entrepreneurs.

It doesn’t hurt that the centrists can work successfully with our allies to go after Al Qaeda and we won’t take our eye off of Al Qaeda tell the job is done and OBL is swinging from a tree.

	05-11-2004 23:11									#92
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democrats suck

I'd rather vote for a moderate republican. Anybody but Bush.

	05-11-2004 23:15									#93
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quote: Originally posted by MalevolentLight I completely agree. I voted for Bush but I would vote for Hillary too. You guys should put Hillary as your candidate, she would win easy.

I am becoming convinced that you are the spawn of FEZ.

	05-11-2004 23:29									#94
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quote: What is socialist about trying to start paying down the debt? What is socialist about trying to balance the budget?

I was talking about high taxes and more social programs.

	06-11-2004 00:08									#95
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quote: Originally posted by MalevolentLight I completely agree. I voted for Bush but I would vote for Hillary too. You guys should put Hillary as your candidate, she would win easy.

Be careful what you wish for.

	06-11-2004 00:12									#96
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd I was talking about high taxes and more social programs.

My post wasn't about that. I was responding to an earlier post re: balancing the budget under Clinton.

It was the only era of fiscal sanity (not responsibility... I won't go that far) that I can recall (born in '76). And it wasn't enough.

Now we're back to insanity.

-Arrian

	06-11-2004 00:12									#97
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell Che--what were vote totals for socialists in the states? Is there a list somewhere?

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pa...ults/president/
You'll have to search by state though.

	06-11-2004 00:17									#98
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quote: Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly No, I don't. But I think someone can look less credible on foreign policy, and I think the ex-governor of a teeny-weeny state best known for Cherry Garcia Ice Cream and re-electing Congress's only socialist is just such a person.

And what is Bush exactly? an ex-governor of a universally laughed-at state, known in diplomatic circles for his ignorance.

Most foreign affairs are done through professional and competent diplomats, so as long as the president sets intelligent guidelines his boys will do the job.

	06-11-2004 01:07									#99
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd I was talking about high taxes and more social programs.

Please reread the part about the ideal candidate being a fiscal conservative. Yes, it does help if you argue about what people say and not what you wish they'd say.

	06-11-2004 01:19									#100
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident You don't see the difference between Latvia and the U.S.? It could happen if both parties put up a woman candidate at the same time. But I don't think the primary timing will ever allow that. One party will flinch and chicken out, thus forcing the other party not to put their woman candidate up for presidency. I figure it will be at least another 20 years before we see a female president.

I would have disagreed with you never statement but you already did yourself.
20 year timeframe or something like that seems reasonnable to me, with what I know of US politics.

I would be a bit more cautious, and say at least in the next 3 elections, (12 years) there will be no woman president.

	06-11-2004 05:06									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Oncle Boris So Firefly, you think that someone can conceivably be worse than Bush in foreign policy?

I could manage easily.

	06-11-2004 05:09									#102
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo The Republicans have done this absolutely brilliantly. Take "tax relief" for instance. You can't argue against it with a two-word phrase of your own (in the current debate), you need at least a few sentences. George Lakoff has written a couple excellent books on this, which I highly recommend.

Fiscal Responsibility. However the Democrats would have to establish that they can indeed do that.

	06-11-2004 07:49									#103
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The easiest way to balance the budget is to kill off the elderly.

	06-11-2004 09:00									#104
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quote: Originally posted by pchang The easiest way to balance the budget is to kill off the elderly.

We would need the the "Logan's Run" constitutional amendment.

	06-11-2004 10:13									#105
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quote: Originally posted by pchang The easiest way to balance the budget is to kill off the elderly.

	06-11-2004 10:36									#106
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quote: Please reread the part about the ideal candidate being a fiscal conservative. Yes, it does help if you argue about what people say and not what you wish they'd say.

The original post specified a social progressive who would balance the budget. I replied by saying that meant someone who would enact a ton of new social programs, and pay for them by raising taxes. It's still fiscally responsible from a certain point of view, but it also still wouldn't be accepted in the US.

	06-11-2004 11:38									#107
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quote: The original post specified a social progressive who would balance the budget.

Um do you know what a social progressive is?