10-11-2004 03:30									#1
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As posted in the Save Game Comments thread, d-day has arrived for the Simian Civilization. On this last turn, two armies of significant size crossed into monkey territory and now lie adjacent to the fortified town of Simian Deep.

The Python stacks consists of:

4 muskets. 6 swords, 11 spears, 30 longbows, 2 horse, and 15 catapults for a total of 68 units.

The CoD stack consists of:

8 muskets, 1 sword, 21 longbows, 14 horse, and 23 catapults for a total of 67 units.

There are also some settlers, workers and warriors. My humble apologies to the military planners of CoD and Python if I miscounted. Base eight math is complex.

Now, the monkeys have not simply been sleeping in the tree tops. We have been preparing. And we get the first punch. Poo is loaded and ready to fly.

So, the question, as Hot_Enamel asked in the Save Comments thread, who should we attack. This is a poll of world opinion. We would respectfully request that members of CoD, Python, and Monkey do not vote.

And please note that the poll will obviously not be binding on the Monkey Leadership.

(also note - no banana option for all you fence sitters out there. C'mon, make a decision. )

	10-11-2004 04:15									#2
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Hmmmn, I'd need to know your exact troops numbers too? Without them it's a tough call, I would say go for the one with the most cats, as if you can capture them it wouldn't just be a cat gained by you it would be 1 lost by them too, a "2 cat swing". That would imply CoD but then Python have the most longbows although they also have more defenders. So I dunno maybe you should all just surrender like the monkeys that you are. Wait no I mean, yeah fight to the death while we stand by slowly building muwhahahahahahahahaww

Mental note, Cod and python have GP and SP,

	10-11-2004 07:19									#3
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What does it really matter? Didn't you get that memo from Darwin? - the Monkeys lose.

	10-11-2004 07:36									#4
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quote: Originally posted by dejon What does it really matter? Didn't you get that memo from Darwin? - the Monkeys lose.

	10-11-2004 07:39									#5
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quote: Originally posted by OPD Hmmmn, I'd need to know your exact troops numbers too?

quote: Wait no I mean, yeah fight to the death while we stand by slowly building muwhahahahahahahahaww

My point exactly.

	10-11-2004 08:21									#6
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What the hell kind of Monkey are you leaving out the banana option? For heaven's sake, your people should have the option to enjoy as many bananas as possible before meeting their inevitable demise. If you're going to die, die fat and happy. I think Tabemono would agree with me there.

	10-11-2004 08:41									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Solomwi If you're going to die, die fat and happy.

	10-11-2004 13:14									#8
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I think thats why the 'banana' option is missing, they ate it

	10-11-2004 13:25									#9
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Only knowing the composition of the approaching armies, it seem like CoD is a slightly 'better' target.

With a low margin though, terrain and composition of monkey forces may change the balance in pythons 'favour'.

	10-11-2004 14:24									#10
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Well, Beta, that's what comes from throwing monkey poo at people.

	10-11-2004 18:52									#11
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Thanks, Beta, I'd forgotten to list the exact numbers in our stack of troops (so we know how many you've managed to kill when we open the next turn). I think there is a total of 70, with 1 settler, 1 warrior, and 1 spear missing from your list.

Whatever you do, I wish you luck. Bad luck, of course, sorry.

-Arrian

Last edited by Arrian on 10-11-2004 at 19:50

	10-11-2004 21:02									#12
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My first reaction is that taking on the Python stack, you have to get past 4 muskets and 11 spearmen before you get around to hitting any attacking units, and even then you're facing 6 swordsmen rather than the longbows which form the bulk of the real attacking threat.

With the CoD stack, you have 8 muskets, 1 spearman and 1 swordsman, and then you're into the happy business of chewing up their longbows, although that depends on longbows being attacked before horsies, which may not be the case. Do some tests, and count regular vs vet vs elite troops. If longbows are preferred as defenders over horsemen, then CoD is the clear winner - it gives you the best odds of taking out significant numbers of longbows, which gives you the best chance of keeping the city.

But I''m still voting for the banana option.

	10-11-2004 21:45									#13
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* Arrian hopes horsies defend first.

	10-11-2004 21:55									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian * Arrian hopes horsies defend first.

* Modo44 hopes they don't.

	10-11-2004 22:09									#15
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I think if defense ratings are the same, hit points is the next determining factor, followed by overall ratings (some amalgam of attributes) - which would mean the longbowman would defend first.

	10-11-2004 22:16									#16
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IIRC the first factor is actually (hp * defense rating) - a 4 hp spearman will defend in preference to a 2 hp pikeman. In the case of a tie, highest defence rating is used. If that's a tie, I'm not sure what happens. We all know spearmen defend before swordsmen (of the same hps), which either suggests lowest attack strength defends first, or that 'defensive' units defend first, and there is yet another tie breaker for non-defensive units. It'd make sense that lowest attack strength defended before highest attack strength, but there might be some effect due to mixing fast-movers and normal troops as well...

	10-11-2004 23:24									#17
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Or cheapest unit defends first

(I *think* an empty transport will defend a full one provided everything else is equal )

	11-11-2004 00:37									#18
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Hey, Monkey, why not just stop this war and we all invade the other continent? Hows that for an idea

	11-11-2004 02:40									#19
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Oh, great plan Krill. Trade Numidians for Legionaries and Riders!

As you can see, we at CoD are expert strategists

-Arrian

	11-11-2004 02:46									#20
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As a prominent member of Monkeydom, I have to officially protest the lack of a banana option.

Oh wait we took all of our extra banana's and shoved them up Panzers arse, our monkey thanks to him for this fantastic map

	11-11-2004 02:48									#21
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Cod seems to be winning, hmmmmm.

Whose idea was this to exterminate us poor defense-less, harmless monkeys anyway.

Did CoD come up with the idea? Or Monty?

	11-11-2004 03:08									#22
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Pick a big city, put all of your units into it, then go into anarchy.

I'm sure chewing through 40+ NMs plus Catapults will be quite fun for the invaders.

	11-11-2004 03:14									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Krill Hey, Monkey, why not just stop this war and we all invade the other continent? Hows that for an idea

Sounds good. Make us a proposal. I suspect we have the three strongest armies in the world right now. Build some galleys and lets go.

	11-11-2004 03:15									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Trip Pick a big city, put all of your units into it, then go into anarchy. I'm sure chewing through 40+ NMs plus Catapults will be quite fun for the invaders.

That's one option on the table for sure.

	13-11-2004 20:16									#25
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I guess there should've been a banana option afterall.

Thank you one and all for your input.