10-11-2004 10:14									#1
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quote: Greetings folks. I have sent this to the members of Python that I think may be active. If there are others - please pass it on. Ok - d-day is here. We are facing two stacks of death. We can do serious harm to one of them. Here's our pitch. We still believe that this war makes no sense for Python, and we are still baffled by your alliance with CoD. We appreciate sticking by an alliance, and honouring commitments, and and all that good stuff, but you now have a golden opportunity to dictate terms on this continent. Here's what we propose. We attack CoD. As we said, we have sufficient forces to seriously cripple one of the two stacks. On your turn, you declare war on CoD, eliminate the survivors, capture the 23 catapults, and head north. You can dictate the terms for us - Python and Monkey - splitting the continent; we would want some allotment of CoD land, but you would get the lion's share. Survival is our goal, as you can well understand. If you play this out as you and CoD have it planned - your empire will be split with CoD in the center. Enough said. If you play it out as we have suggested, you have the majority of the continent, with your empire consolidated. And after the battle in question, you will undoubtedly have the strongest standing army on the continent. Again - the main barrier to this plan is your commitment to CoD. If that is unbreakable, and I appreciate the dynamics of demo games ARE different, then so be it. We will respect that. But, if you don't mind tarnishing your honour a bit, then I am sure you will see the logic to our plan. We are NOT making a similar proposal to CoD. And we WILL make a stand here. There is not much room left to retreat to. Given the seriousness of the Armageddon Day for the Simian Nation, we will sit on the save as long as you need to debate this. We are available for discussion at your convenience. Simply pm or e-mail conmcb25 or me. Sincerely - Beta of Monkey

Just recieved from Beta. My immeadiate response would be to reject them outright, but I think they deserve one last consideration before we take them out. CoD are our sworn allies, and besides, we don't have the border defenses to deal with them at this time, so provocation is not the best thing to do.

So, I'm for a 'no' response. Anyone else? I plan on sending a reply tomorrow.

	10-11-2004 14:39									#2
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I don't know enugh about our past relationships with both the Monkeys and CoD. But the current situation is clear. We are at war with one and have a ROP with the other, so the it's pretty simple. Monkeys die.

An concerning future. The "provocation" might not be too far from the truth. CoD might try to backstab us (their weird move last turn - clearly shutting us off from the planned rute - was for a reason, I think). But with those huge stacks in the south, CoD probably have even smaller border defenses than we have (The stacks are comparable and CoD have weaker military according to F3 screen.). And, as I wrote before, it is CoD that should fear our SOD once the dust over Monkey settles - not the other way around. So even if Beta is right, we don't have to help him. We can deal with the Monkeys and still be more than ready for CoD, should they want it.

	10-11-2004 17:51									#3
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Alas, no. We are not the sort to crash an ally's wedding and murder half the guests - or if we did it would be due to an honest mistake.

If we want to strengthen our alliance with CoD we have just been given the perfect tool - show them this offer.

Sadly, an outright rejection of the offer will likely irritate them enough to make them attack our SoD. Do we want that? (Whose stack is stronger defensively?) Perhaps with the right wording we can hint that they should follow through with their plan as a show of good faith before we decide.

	10-11-2004 18:16									#4
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quote: Originally posted by dejon If we want to strengthen our alliance with CoD we have just been given the perfect tool - show them this offer.

Yes. And it is not our words that say we're the strongest on the continent. How nice of the Monkeys to do that for us.

quote: Originally posted by dejon Sadly, an outright rejection of the offer will likely irritate them enough to make them attack our SoD. Do we want that? (Whose stack is stronger defensively?) Perhaps with the right wording we can hint that they should follow through with their plan as a show of good faith before we decide.

That's the bad part. For the Monkeys there's no hope so we can't really predict their actions if we don't accept their offer. I doubt they'll give in to your suggestion. This is the one and only turn they can change anything. After that, their army will likely cease to be, so they have to get something out of it. So after they make a move on either of the stacks, it's over for them and they have no more bargaining chips. If I were them, I'd wait before reaching an agreement with someone. No answer short of accepting would be good enough, so I guess we have nothing to offer them.


Concerning decisions. I think they did send this offer to both us and CoD in hope of dividing us. So I propose we show the text to CoD and proceed with Monkey extermination as planned. Tell the Monkeys we won't talk, as it is war - no negotiations possible at this moment. Sorry and good bye.

	10-11-2004 20:49									#5
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I assume they sent it to CoD as well - they'd have been stupid not to, because as you say - this is their last chance to affect anything.

Roleplay tried to do the same thing with Glory of War and Neu Demogyptica in the first PtWDG, and failed. Beta was with Vox in that game and knows the precedent is against him, hence the pleading.

If we were further into the game, it could be considered. Unfortunately, how we conduct ourselves in this war will affect all our relations with the teams on the other (larger) continent - that's not something we can jeopardize at this point in the game. Especially since, as the strongest military power presently, we will be on everyone's hit list.

Just for fun, maybe we should reply just as the AI does in the game when they won't talk.

	10-11-2004 20:53									#6
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The biggest aspect I see hasn't been mentioned yet. CoD is a valued research partner, and with their land and certain lack of infrastructure due to the pressures of the war, Monkey couldn't hope to be as useful in that role as CoD has been.

Modo, I'm with you. I have no doubt that they sent a similar offer to CoD. Just for informational purposes, though, this is the same line of reasoning they've been trying to sell us since practically the beginning of the war. What I don't know if they realize or not is that CoD was going to have the great REX regardless, as they were well positioned to cut us off quickly if we tried to expand to the southwest. In order to get a fully functioning dual-core empire set up, quite simply, we need Monkey's land.

As for a response, let them know we gave the proposal a good faith consideration, but ultimately and unanimously found it to our benefit to support our valiant allies of CoD. Careful with the wording, though, as Beta will attempt to twist our response and pass it along to CoD to foster doubts as to our steadfastness.

	11-11-2004 09:22									#7
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To propose a response:

quote: Greetings once again, Team Monkey. We have given your offer a good faith consideration - something we believe to be a necessity given our own admittedly decietful actions leading up to this war. We must unanimously reject your offer. The Castle of Loimbard is honor-bound to CoD in a war that we proposed, we planned, and we started. It is our intention to follow this war to the end, and to fight it with our Izzardian brothers. Besides, you didn't think we'd let you out of the war that easily did you? Good luck on the battlefield. ~Octavian X The Guy Who Still Calls Himself Prime Minister Despite The Fact That Other People Are Now Running The Show, Team Monty Python

	11-11-2004 10:53									#8
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	11-11-2004 12:47									#9
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I guess it's best to send the Monkey proposal and our response to CoD as well.

	13-11-2004 14:32									#10
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nice and honourable to a clearly dishonourable and deperate plea, what more could be said. hehehe the guards ate your envoy