15-11-2004 22:55									#31
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Everyone of the games mentioned are great games in my book, except the CTP ones. I did not like either CTP or CTP2 out of the box. I keep hearing about the mods to CTP2, but I could not see the need to check it out.

Civ2/3 Homm2 Moo1/2 Smac are all games I spent years playing and still play Homm2 and Moo1/2 and of course CivIII.

	15-11-2004 23:09									#32
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I like them all... FF: Tactics? Would that be a TBS?

If not my fav was Civ2

	15-11-2004 23:11									#33
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Master of Magic for me.

Followed by Civ.

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	15-11-2004 23:17									#34
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Oooh, yeah, MoM definitly over Civ for me too.

	16-11-2004 00:27									#35
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Civ2/SMAC.

	16-11-2004 00:30									#36
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TBS that I have played:

Civ1, Civ2, Civ3
SMAC, Alien Crossfire
CtP1
Colonization
Star Trek: Birth of the Federation
Galactic Civilizations

The only ones I currently play are C3 and GC, and of those I would say GC is the best.

As for extreme nostalgia, I would say Colonization is the best.

Right now I think I will surprize myself and say my all time favorite TBS is Galactic Civilizations.

And TBS is definitely my favorite genre. C3 and GC are the only computer games of any kind I currently play.

	16-11-2004 00:55									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Japher I like them all... FF: Tactics? Would that be a TBS? If not my fav was Civ2

IIRC Gamespy (is that right?) selected FFT as number one for a game you can play again and again, something like that.

	16-11-2004 01:24									#38
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quote: FFT as number one for a game you can play again and again

MoM is that way too, that's why I love them both. Unfortuantely FFT is on the PS and I don't really play with that thing any more.

	16-11-2004 01:36									#39
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Civ1 begun it all, but my vote would go to SMAC/SMAX. Amazingly complex, atmospheric, with also a great story... great. Downsides: AI couldn't handle the complexity and the graphics were really ugly. But it's an excellent game overall. Pure awesome.

I would probably put CtP2 there, if it actually worked. It's conceptually the best TBS IMO, but it has never been seen in full power - each aspect was either unbalanced or didn't work.

	16-11-2004 02:18									#40
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A tide between homm2,3, civ2, and smac. Why?

homm2: best music, graphic, and a gameplay so easy (yet sophisticated enough for people like us to enjoy) to even convert tbs haters, unless that person really hates fantasy theme (or should i say fairly tale theme?).

homm3: incrediblibly accessible map editor and a great balanced between 8 very different races; and since it does not take a day to finish a game, = the greatest pc tbs multiplayer ever and a very refined game.

civ 2: no explanation needed

smac: As a guy who would never pay to see the latest Star War movie and has to be PAID to watch any Star Strek movie, this game is amazing even if it is a "sci-fi". The perfect continuation of Civ2; its adds so many things that turns out to be great, but these additions made smac a less refined game than civ2, which is game that also has many probs in details.



Atm i play magic online, an mmog, tbs, and u can earn 1 dollar profit every 2-3 hour you play thru trade, but you need to invest 500 dollars to start xp.

	16-11-2004 03:43									#41
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wrt definition - Im very sympathetic to the idea that there are "strategy games" which include games like EU, city builders, etc and "RTS" which does NOT mean all strat games in real time, but a specific genre with certain charecteristics common to the warcraft and C&C clones, etc.

But for this I really wanted to focus on TBS classicaly defined, which I think are somewhat more similar in gameplay, in particular.

I will count the votes later.

I do note the dominance of opinion for SMAC.

I can understand that sentiment, given the way it takes the strategic possibilities of Civ2, and expands them with SE, ship design, the terraforming system, etc.

OTOH, it seems to me that SMAC is the kind of game you have to play a LOT to really get the benefits of - I played through about 2 or 3 times and I was only starting to get the hang of the terraforming possibilities, and of the SE possibilities. And really none of the ship design possibilities (and i had been a pretty experienced Civ 2 player, though only in SP) To break through to the place where you really appreciate the whole game, you have to like the story, factions, atmosphere enough to keep slogging through, or else you have to be so sophisticated a TBS player you pick it all up right away. Im not that sophisticated, and the SMAC atmosphere, factions, backstory werent engaging enough for me to stick with it that far.

So for me, with the limited games ive experienced Civ2 is still the best TBS. And Imp2 is the second best, and THEN SMAC. And PG2 not far behind, and Im taking a liking to Moo2.

	16-11-2004 03:56									#42
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I want to play SMAC again. Where can I get a copy? Anyone?

	16-11-2004 04:12									#43
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SMAC/SMACX

By a country mile.

	16-11-2004 05:53									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Japher I want to play SMAC again. Where can I get a copy? Anyone?

There's a thread posted by your truly on where you can get SMAC It wasn't that too long time ago when I posted it.

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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker NOT SMAC. That game was meh for me. C3, or (are boardgames allowed?) A&A.

We pwnd.

	16-11-2004 10:27									#46
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ctp2?

what kinds of drugs are they giving kids these days.

	16-11-2004 17:39									#47
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The kind that makes us want to slit our wrists at pushing 300 units around seperately each turn. I love it

	17-11-2004 01:39									#48
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current results

SMAC - 16
Civ2 - 4
MoM - 3
Civ3 - 2
CTP2 - 2
Moo2 - 2
Moo1 - 1
Peoples Tactics(?) - 1
GalCiv - 1

And 4 posters who cant quite make up their minds. Cmon, Imran, Spikey, etc, this isnt that hard, which is it?

	17-11-2004 02:11									#49
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SMAC


Although MOO2 deserves honourable mentions.

	17-11-2004 02:20									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Brent Star Trek: Birth of the Federation

The potential of that game was so great, the implentation was so poor that if it didn't have the Star Trek lore supporting it, it would be completely unplayable as opposed to just often unplayable.

	17-11-2004 02:22									#51
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O'course some would say that the fact its Star Trek based would make it completely unplayable in itself.

	17-11-2004 02:32									#52
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The only thing worse than ST based games are Star Wars based games

	17-11-2004 03:46									#53
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A year ago I would have voted SMAX, but I think Dominions II now claims the title.

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Hey quantum, was up.. long time no see.

I haven't played Dominions II in a while either. Though it is fun, I'll give you that, it is also very hard. However, I bet it is probably the best TBS for PBEM

	17-11-2004 04:06									#55
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Why SMAC?
Ok, somehow I´m going to get the exp and find out

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Civ3 and SMAC/X are equivelant to me as both deserving sequels of civ 2 (branched in two directions)

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quote: Originally posted by Unspeakable Horror Why SMAC? Ok, somehow I´m going to get the exp and find out

SMAC is great (to me) because it combines very mature story-line elements with a TBS. You are not so much playing a "nation" in teh civ sense as you are "role-playing" a faction/faction leader. You lead your faction through the drama of the story, and you're choices/strategies as a leader impact the outcome of that story. There's a gazillion small reasons why, standing alone, it is a great TBS, but the combination of a great story that really shows BR's education and a TBS is the primary reason I think its a great game.

Oh and lest I forget, the fact that the planet itself is a character just makes more mondo coolness in the integration of story-tbs.

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quote: Originally posted by Japher The only thing worse than ST based games are Star Wars based games

You mean besides TIE Fighter, X-Wing, even KOTOR?

	17-11-2004 04:38									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker You mean besides TIE Fighter, X-Wing, even KOTOR?

I have never heard of a good Star Trek game (shame) and there have been very very few good star wars games.

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quote: Originally posted by Japher Hey quantum, was up.. long time no see.

I have mostly switched over to playing Dominions that are played in one or two sittings, with players on the GameSurge #dominions IRC channel. It works so well, I have actually given up the PBEM kind.