15-11-2004 11:46									#1
	XBOC LIVE is it really worth it? Full PM-box? Change here!

SO with HALO 2, I get a free 2 months and the secret with all of those free 2 month subscription deals is that if you don't tell them to unsubscribe you at the end of the two months, then you are stuck on it, and have to end up paying in the end. (I've had this problem with TIME, and then Rolling Stone)

With that In mind, I’ve been thinking a lot aboot signing up for XBOX LIVE, however, from what I hear it might not be all it is cracked up to be. Annoying people on headset, wusses who leave the game when they are aboot to get pwned, lag, and trouble finfing an open game with people who don’t suck and aren’t miles above you skill wise. All this for 50 bucks a year, or about $4.50 a month.

To those of you who do have a subscription, please tell me what you would say are the positive and negative points of XBOX LIVE.

	15-11-2004 11:54									#2
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I've played over 50 games on it in the past two days

	16-11-2004 01:43									#3
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I wouldn't pay for it.

	16-11-2004 02:38									#4
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You wouldn't pay for an Xbox either, so why would you even read this thread?

	16-11-2004 03:15									#5
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I've heard postitive reviews of it, mainly that it is best when you can play with friends who aren't so close by,

	16-11-2004 03:16									#6
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I like it

Understand that there are a million *****es and *******s online, but you don't have to play with them. there are many more cool people than lame people overall. Find some friends to team up with online. Then it'll be fun.

	16-11-2004 03:19									#7
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I have been playing it since Saturday afternoon (taking an occasional break to breathe). Waiting for matchmade games to be set up is a turn off, but once you build up a friend's list and join custom games, it is a blast. Lag has never been more than a minor annoyance, and even then only rarely. Lame TKers have not been a problem. People with headsets can be irritating, but it has never become a major problem. I won't be extending my subscription for it, but that's just because I'm a cheapskate.

	16-11-2004 03:33									#8
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quote: People with headsets can be irritating

People without headsets suck! You need a headset to play properly. How else do you communicate?

	16-11-2004 05:32									#9
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	16-11-2004 08:36									#10
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I hate you and every other noob (I can't believe I just used that word ) that tries to be on my team in any game and doesn't have a headset. You tell them to do something... did they understand... who knows? There's stuff going on that's important that they're the first to see. Can they tell you? No.

In straight deathmatch games, it might not be important, but in team based games where things need to be coordinated it sucks if you are stuck with someone w/o a headset on your squad. In splinter cell, you get booted almost 100% of the time if you don't have a headset, and that's how it should be.

	16-11-2004 17:54									#11
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What kind of connection do you need? Im talking about with reasonable lag though, not the minimum requirements.

FPS deal with a slow connection a lot better than say 2D fighters or sports games, Id be wanting to play Pro Evo Soccer 4 and i highly doubt 256Kb/sec cable is enough. The PC version of PES4 actually recommends 1.5Mb/sec connection for netplay but I guess its less optimized.

	16-11-2004 18:21									#12
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I've never had any lag. I have cable, and a wireless network. Even though the adapter complained that signal strength was low, it works perfectly.

	17-11-2004 02:39									#13
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Whats that 256 cable? and what type of games?

	17-11-2004 03:49									#14
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It's tempting, but the problem for me is that it's mostly shooters.

That and the fact I barely have time anymore to play the games I do have.

	17-11-2004 04:27									#15
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Your opinion doesnt count FF, you have a Mac

I can get CS and Q3 with a ping of <40 and I would seriously think about it if I thought there was any chance I could play Pro Evo 4 on 256Kb cable, but I highly doubt it.

	17-11-2004 04:30									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Maquiladora Whats that 256 cable? and what type of games?

I dunno, it's cable internet. From Cox. And Halo 2.

	17-11-2004 08:03									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Maquiladora Your opinion doesnt count FF, you have a Mac I can get CS and Q3 with a ping of <40 and I would seriously think about it if I thought there was any chance I could play Pro Evo 4 on 256Kb cable, but I highly doubt it.

People with Macs can play Xbox Live.

	17-11-2004 08:10									#18
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They're usually the people at the bottom of the ranking list, commenting on how the team's Halo uniforms aren't colour-coordinated.

	17-11-2004 08:17									#19
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Ahem. I'm posting on an eMac, yet I have a better level than many PC'ers.

	17-11-2004 08:34									#20
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X Box

PC

why pay for X box live when you obviously already have an internet connection on a PC?

	17-11-2004 08:36									#21
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So I can play Xbox Live games on Xbox Live.

	17-11-2004 17:40									#22
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quote: why pay for X box live when you obviously already have an internet connection on a PC?

My PC wont run some games on the same level of detail at a steady speed as well as my XBox, plus I get to play it on a TV without faffing about.

	17-11-2004 23:46									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Asher You wouldn't pay for an Xbox either, so why would you even read this thread?

To counter-balance all the Xbox fan bois that will post saying "OMFG XBOX IS TEH L337"

	17-11-2004 23:53									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Sava To counter-balance all the Xbox fan bois that will post saying "OMFG XBOX IS TEH L337"

You're just pollution, a counter-balance would be an Xbox owner saying why he would not recommend Xbox Live.

A spammy child without an Xbox has no useful input.

	18-11-2004 01:21									#25
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I must really aggravate you for you to lash out the way you do. You're really quite amusing.

If I owned an Xbox, and thought it sucked, I'd just be an idiot for wasting my money. One of my friends has an Xbox. I've rented an Xbox. I know what games are on Xbox. Trust me, I don't need to own one to know it sucks. If I did buy a console, I'd get a PS2 so I could play GTA:San Andreas.

You remind me of an old friend of mine. A little know-it-all punk who thinks he's an expert on everything because he owns everything. I suspect part of your negative attitude towards me is some sort of latent self-loathing that comes with the knowledge that you've wasted your money. Don't insult me just because you're mad at yourself, Asher.

	18-11-2004 01:24									#26
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You call this lashing out at you?

I'm not an expert at everything because I own everything, but I have a much more informed opinion by owning and playing all of them than someone who for the longest time blasted all console games without mercy, and now say Gamecube is alright while blasting the others...

Further, said twit enters a thread about something he can't possibly have an informed opinion on...

	18-11-2004 01:28									#27
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What constitutes an "informed opinion" about Xbox Live? I know what it is. I know what games are available on it. I've played many games available on Xbox live. Why do I need to own an Xbox to have an "informed opinion"?

Also, owning an Xbox would just make it more likely that your "informed opinion" is biased.

Sure I give consoles a bad rap, but that's mostly when compared to the superior games on PC. Gamecube is a good console because it has unique games (good games) that you can't get on PC.

I blast Xbox because, IMO, I believe it's a waste of money. This is based upon my own experience playing Xbox and Xbox games.

How is my opinion not "informed"? It's not as if I've never seen an Xbox. We're not talking about something super secret that requires ownership.

	18-11-2004 01:46									#28
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Quit lashing out.



Not everyone has the same taste.

Here's some simple reasoning for you: Not everyone has the same taste. You've already deemed Xbox a waste of money in your eyes. Your opinion is therefore rather meaningless to people who do not consider an Xbox a waste of money, especially when takling about premium Xbox services.

	18-11-2004 03:21									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Not everyone has the same taste.

I was just about to say that.