15-11-2004 22:31									#1
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Hello everyone!

I am still playing Civ3 Conquests now and then, but my enjoyment is rather marred by the fact that the old bug where you always start next to American civs no matter what civ you pick seems still to be there in the 1.22 patch.

This bug predates the release of Civ3 Complete so I would be quite surprised to learn that it hasn't been fixed.

Can anyone fill me in? - I haven't been on these boards for months!

Thank you

	15-11-2004 22:42									#2
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I am on my third epic game. First one I started next to Americans as well in third game. In my second one I started out next to Mongols and England. However IIRC there were no American civs in that one (I selected civs myself for computer).

	15-11-2004 22:58									#3
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I think it is not actually that you start out next to the US, but rather you get the same group of civs depending upon civ you use to start.

It is not fixed, but you can preselect the civs you start the game playing. You could turn off culturally linked as see if that changes things.

	16-11-2004 05:41									#4
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I feel like I always start games with roughly the same civs over and over again. That's a shame, considering I'm becoming quite angry about the Netherlands always being such a pain in the buttocks.

	16-11-2004 05:46									#5
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quote: Originally posted by pedrojedi I feel like I always start games with roughly the same civs over and over again. That's a shame, considering I'm becoming quite angry about the Netherlands always being such a pain in the buttocks.

That's why I select civs myself for the computer. And to ensure randomness, I roll dice to select those civs. I also maintain a list of civs that have been already played and how often. I'm an oddball I know

	16-11-2004 08:59									#6
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And you know that that's an excellent idea, considering this weird RNG that gives some magical results during the game but keeps repeating itself during the generation phase.

	16-11-2004 09:37									#7
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Amazing that we have to resort to a dieroll to ensure randomness in a computer game....

I'm going to break out the abacus to ensure my quicken balance is correct.

	21-11-2004 00:06									#8
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This bug basically destroyed CLSL. I hate it.

	21-11-2004 11:27									#9
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I don't see anything like this when the "Culturally Linked Start" is not selected.

	21-11-2004 14:25									#10
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I've also never seen it....with or without culture-linked starts

	21-11-2004 19:38									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Vince278 I don't see anything like this when the "Culturally Linked Start" is not selected.

Exactly

	22-11-2004 23:45									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Shogun Gunner Amazing that we have to resort to a dieroll to ensure randomness in a computer game.... I'm going to break out the abacus to ensure my quicken balance is correct.

Sad eh? It shows that human ingeniousness will beat the computer anytime. Well, most of the time :-P

That would be very prudent re: the abacus!

	22-11-2004 23:46									#13
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punkbass2000 - so to ensure randomness and that you will not always end up next to an American civ, we only have to turn off the culturally linked starting positions?

	23-11-2004 08:13									#14
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AFAIK.

	24-11-2004 11:01									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Barinthus That would be very prudent re: the abacus!

How do we get truly random numbers from an abacus?

	24-11-2004 12:10									#16
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I.e.: they removed, to all intents and purposes, culturally linked starting locations in Conquests, unless you happen to always play with a civilization in the North American category.

For no good reason.

I still call that a bug.

	01-12-2004 20:47									#17
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I seem to recall that plain vanilla Conquests fresh out of the box doesn't have this bug. It only occurs if you apply any patches.

I sat down and installed Civ3GOTY then C3C and at every patch i started a game with all random opponents. I don't have my notes in front of me, but that's what I recall.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.