22-11-2004 23:46									#61
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The "elite" teams are the ones that can pull out a win even when they suck... and both Pitt and Atlanta did that yesterday.

	22-11-2004 23:51									#62
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Atlanta is not an elite team. They played the Giants. They should have stomped them.

	22-11-2004 23:53									#63
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But they won and are now 8-2. What if they finish 14-2 or 13-3? Will they still not be an elite team because they didn't win pretty? The same thing was said of the National Championship Ohio State team two years back.

	23-11-2004 00:38									#64
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Winning is winning... it's that simple. The good teams figure out HOW TO WIN. It doesn't matter if you slaughter them or just eek one by. Again, the elite teams win the games they suck in... and both Pitt and Atlanta did just that.

	23-11-2004 01:44									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui But they won and are now 8-2. What if they finish 14-2 or 13-3? Will they still not be an elite team because they didn't win pretty? The same thing was said of the National Championship Ohio State team two years back.

I think their defense and their QB is elite. I don't think they are as good as Pitt or NE though. That's just my opinion.

	23-11-2004 01:46									#66
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I'm not saying they are as good at Pitt or NE or Philly either... but they are in the top eschelon of teams. As Vick matures and learns more and more of the offense, the team will only get better.

	23-11-2004 01:48									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I'm not saying they are as good at Pitt or NE or Philly either... but they are in the top eschelon of teams. As Vick matures and learns more and more of the offense, the team will only get better.

Are they better than MIN or GB?

	23-11-2004 01:51									#68
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The Falcons will definitly only get better.

I am a big Jim Mora, Jr. fan, and as long as he can hold Vick and pump up that D... lots of prospects there, lots of good coaches... Falcon

Niners for letting mora go

	23-11-2004 01:55									#69
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quote: Are they better than MIN or GB?

I'd say yes. But we'll have to see how Farve is doing in a few weeks. He seems to be heating up and in a few weeks, GB could be 7-4 and we may be saying the Pack are contenders for the SB the way Farve is throwing the ball.

Right now, the Falcons are better than Minny or the Pack.

	23-11-2004 04:29									#70
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I think the question is whether the Falcons are better than other AFC teams like Indy. I don't think the NFC is competitive. What AFC teams has Atlanta beaten?

edit: they beat Denver by a point, but got slaughtered by KC

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	23-11-2004 05:46									#71
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Is anyone else not so sure that Eli Manning is going to be as great as Peyton? He seems to be getting too much consideration for being Peyton's brother.

	23-11-2004 06:16									#72
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quote: What AFC teams has Atlanta beaten?

San Diego & Denver which are both 7-3 and tied for the lead in the AFC West.

KC wasn't their best performance, I'd admit, but totally out of character.

	23-11-2004 06:47									#73
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Neither was their win over the Chargers characteristic of San Diego.

They are really on a roll right now.

	23-11-2004 06:54									#74
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True, but they were also on a roll before they rolled into Atlanta. They may have had an off-day in Atlanta, but it wasn't like they stunk before the Falcons game.

	23-11-2004 07:41									#75
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Hmmm - 17 points already, and the 1st qtr still has almost 4 minutes to go! I think I should've gone higher than the 65 points I put into the MNF total for the Handicappers League!


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	23-11-2004 10:10									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Falcons barely got past the miserable Giants yesterday and they want to be considered an elite team. Bah! Steelers barely got past the miserable Bengals yesterday and they want to be considered an elite team. Bah!

the Bengals are improving. They were halfway decent last year. They aren't as horrible as they usually are.

	23-11-2004 10:18									#77
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One missed Jacksonville comeback from perfection.

Yup, I'm never having another week like this again.

	23-11-2004 10:21									#78
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quote: the Bengals are improving. They were halfway decent last year. They aren't as horrible as they usually are.

I'd consider them similar to the Giants. Tiki is one of the best RBs out there this year.

	24-11-2004 21:42									#79
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NFL Europe just added another German team. The league consists of 5 German teams and one Danish team.. The two UK teams folded.. to Germany ... Dont know why the rest of Europe cant appreciate what a great game NFL football is.

	25-11-2004 01:37									#80
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Vote for your favourite fat guy!

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Some of these are harsh.

Ted Washington: Lifelong goal is to win another Super Bowl and to be a solar eclipse.
Grady [Jackson] is no longer welcome at Red Lobsters in Wisconsin.
For an extra advantage, the line coach at Arkansas used to call signals from Shawn [Andrew]'s stomach.
In order to save cap space Justin [Bannan] agreed to receive his bonus in Buffalo wings.
In his bio, Frank [Middleton] confused the question of "what's your weight?" with "favorite childhood memory."

	25-11-2004 18:58									#81
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Remember folks... there are games today, so set your lineups for Fantasy, and make you picks in your pools...
It's Thanksgiving Day, which means FOOTBALL

	25-11-2004 21:20									#82
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Some days I wish I could combine my FF teams, I have Michael Pittman on the bench in 1 league and have to start anthony Thomas and Moe Williams in the other league.

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	25-11-2004 21:47									#83
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I have to go up against Peyton Manning today. Hopefully he throws at least 3 of his TDs to Shockey.

	25-11-2004 21:55									#84
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When did the Giants trade Shockey?

Or did you mean Stokley?

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	25-11-2004 22:46									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Tuberski Or did you mean Stokley?

hehe yep. Can you imagine is Shockey was on that team?

	25-11-2004 22:47									#86
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Well the first one goes to Stokley. Lions can't handle that play action pass.

	25-11-2004 22:50									#87
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Yep... Detroit usually plays tough on Thanksgiving day... but they will probably get blown out today.

	25-11-2004 23:01									#88
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Manning is really irritating to watch before the snap

He looks really jittery, but 90% of it is show.

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	25-11-2004 23:04									#89
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It must work...

	25-11-2004 23:05									#90
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Oh, it's obvious it works, that's 2 for Stokley, who I just dropped from one of my FF teams....



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