22-11-2004 06:12									#1
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It looks like the two ideas with the most support are Total Eternal Forever War and The Power of Fascism (replaying Power of Communism with a different target government). So how about if we have a runoff between those two ideas and then start playing?

	22-11-2004 09:26									#2
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I prefer the Power of Fascism because it's less difficult, more fun, and original. I would play either, though.

	22-11-2004 10:16									#3
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The Power of Fascism for the reasons Dominae mentioned.

	22-11-2004 11:45									#4
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Adding my vote for Power of Fascism for similar reasons.

	22-11-2004 11:48									#5
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I take it we're playing Germany then?

	22-11-2004 15:51									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Modo44 I take it we're playing Germany then?

Why not Spain instead ? Historically just as acurate, and maybe less sensitive..

	22-11-2004 16:18									#7
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Why not Spain? Well, it can't combine a Golden Age with War Time Mobilization and a powerful UU. And why would it be less sensitive? Fascism is not a nice government form, no matter who does it.

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	22-11-2004 18:01									#8
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I won't play another Eternal War Forever. My reputation, you know...

Why not The Power of Money? The goal would be to cash in the maximum of gold (50'000, then 75, then 100).

Of course, we have to set a few rules, as to build all buildings asa as they are available and to finish the game in a certain time frame.

For the rest, it would be a free for all game. Go Democracy or Fascism, play a small civ or go conquer, every startegy would be open. The 'winner' would be the one with the most gold for a win on a certain date (somebody would fix up some nice equation to do this).

The most obvious civ: France.

	22-11-2004 19:52									#9
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The idea of a game where the object is to collect gold seems too artificial to me. The importance of money is not in hoarding it for its own sake, but rather in what you can buy with it. In general, if you're building up a big hoarde of gold, you aren't using gold wisely.

	22-11-2004 20:05									#10
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Ill be a sheep and go with the majority

	22-11-2004 21:30									#11
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Wow... I am really surprized. After Theseus and Dominae voted for Power of Fascism 10 people voted for it in runoff

So which civ would we play? Gemans? Americans? (we have not played americans yet in AU if I am not mistaken)

who will do the map?

	22-11-2004 22:26									#12
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hey, I like both ideas, but I'll try and make it less one-sided...

	22-11-2004 23:31									#13
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quote: Originally posted by pvzh So which civ would we play? Gemans? Americans? (we have not played americans yet in AU if I am not mistaken)

There was the peacekeeping game, with Americans as the Peacekeepers. I don't recall an AU game with Germany, though.

	22-11-2004 23:36									#14
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Power of Comminism

	23-11-2004 00:31									#15
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The Give Peace A Chance course was played with the Americans, the Power of Communism with the Germans.

Since players were not allowed to build any military units with the Americans the first time around, I think this is a prime opportunity for AU to test out the least-used UU, the F-15.

Assuming, of course, that the Power of Fascism wins the vote.

	23-11-2004 01:19									#16
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well, it is already 10 to 3 in favour... Let's start

Edit:
BTW, I am already have a map for this game. Not as devious as Dominae's or Alexman's, but devious enough.
Probably, I better send it to Dominae or Alexman because I do not have the latest AU mod (with L/H Cavalry and other stuff) and am not a panel member (some canges to AU mod might be needed, like no forced resettlement for Fascism).

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	23-11-2004 08:35									#17
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I was thinking I wasn't going to be playing this course, but game with the Americans, especially one putting me in the prime position to use F-15. I don't think I've ever played a serious game as the Americans.

	23-11-2004 09:21									#18
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quote: Originally posted by pvzh BTW, I am already have a map for this game. Not as devious as Dominae's or Alexman's, but devious enough. Probably, I better send it to Dominae or Alexman because I do not have the latest AU mod (with L/H Cavalry and other stuff) and am not a panel member (some canges to AU mod might be needed, like no forced resettlement for Fascism).

I believe Theseus is in charge...

	23-11-2004 11:38									#19
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Errr... Dom sorta nominated me to own the map for this one , which is fine; as the psycho-goggled-faced-one points out, I am well and truly due to be the MapMaker.

pvzh, send me what you have, and I will tweak it as needs be... I am at richard ta podos tod net.

	23-11-2004 21:45									#20
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I sent it with some explanations why I did and what I did.

I hope I interpreted your address correctly. Post something here if you got it or not.

	23-11-2004 23:02									#21
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Got it, pvzh... I'll play around with it later today, and start the course thread either tonight or tomorrow.

	24-11-2004 04:42									#22
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I like pvzh's map, albeit with a few tweaks.

He has made the following suggestions as well:

1. Disable culture flips - I disagree

2. Light and Heavy Cavalry - I agree

3. Unit support at 0/1/1+18 for Republic and Democracy - I agree for Demo, but not for Republic

4. SoZ and Knights Templar act barracks - I quite agree, and suggest we consider this as a permanent change to the AU Mod

If I could get some quick feedback on these issues, I'll go ahead and set up the game and get a new thread posted.

	24-11-2004 06:29									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Theseus I4. SoZ and Knights Templar act barracks - I quite agree, and suggest we consider this as a permanent change to the AU Mod

I dont get this one, what do you mean?

	24-11-2004 09:49									#24
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There is a choice in the editor that effectively makes a given improvement/Wonder a Barracks... thus any units produced in that city are vets.

pvzh pointed out to me in an email that the AI civs do not build Barracks as much as would be desired, and that this is negatively compounded by cities that have the SoZ or Knights Templar (i.e., the AI's free units are coming out as regs and not vets).

I think that the benefit of AI civs sending out free vets WAAAAY outways the savings of not building a Barracks for the human player.

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Roger that

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Good idea BTW

	24-11-2004 10:06									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Theseus There is a choice in the editor that effectively makes a given improvement/Wonder a Barracks... thus any units produced in that city are vets. pvzh pointed out to me in an email that the AI civs do not build Barracks as much as would be desired, and that this is negatively compounded by cities that have the SoZ or Knights Templar (i.e., the AI's free units are coming out as regs and not vets). I think that the benefit of AI civs sending out free vets WAAAAY outweighs the savings of not building a Barracks for the human player.

	24-11-2004 10:14									#27
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I like that you agree with most of the stuff.

I disable culture flips because I hate how they implemented and the fact that you need absolutely unrealistic number of units to prevent the flip. (IMHO you should not need more than 1 unit per population to prevent the flip under any circumstances). However, I can see a merit in having them: player would not stick cities too close to AI cities.

BTW, in the scenario I have sent I took liberty to remove Forced resettlement flag from Fascism: I think it is not needed. If human needs this goverment, population loss in the time of RR/electricity will be made up very quickly by the player, but, if AI choses this goverment for any reason, it will loose far more due to bad mangement of the food production and population points.

	24-11-2004 10:36									#28
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Ah, Pavel, that is a big change to make (i.e., forced resettlement), as Nathan and Alex are so ably arguing.

I think I'll let all of this sit a day or so before getting going.

	24-11-2004 10:53									#29
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The light and heavy cavalry issue has been voted on and passed 4-0 out of those who voted. So that change definitely belongs.

I'll go ahead and call for votes on the governmental issues (improving free support for Republic/Democracy and eliminating Forced Resettlement). I'll also go ahead and call for a vote on adding the "Veteran ground units" flag to SoZ and Knights Templar, modifying the voting procedure a tad to accommodate the need for speed. We can start the game as soon as those issues are resolved, but please wait until they are.

	24-11-2004 16:11									#30
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Forced resettlement = no

Thats a big part of Facism and I think we should play it and comment

Whats the point of improving free support for Rep/Dem? In the context of we are playing a game where we are in Fascism? I guess I dont get it?

And yes on the barracks flag for SoZ and Knights templar