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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai This is a sports story from Canadian Press. Only in Canada, eh. (CP) - Monday's NHL scores as provided from a season simulated for The Canadian Press by Electronic Arts, using the NHL 2005 video game. A roundup of the week's games is reported every Tuesday. Second entry is the home team in each score. Columbus Blue Jackets 1 Buffalo Sabres 4 Pittsburgh Penguins 2 Atlanta Thrashers 2 Florida Panthers 1 Phoenix 2 Detroit 2 Vancouver 3 Dallas 1 Anaheim 2 http://www.canada.com/sports/hockey...36-758be113d2cd

Here's the link to the full virtual season:

http://www.easports.com/games/nhl2005/season.jsp

Calgary beat Montreal in 5 to take the Stanley Cup.

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quote: Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn Where's the fun then?

You still pick up guys, Jimmy. Think outside the box.

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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai Is that out and about thing still true? How would you pronounce "about"? How do Americans pronounce it?

Most Canadians pronounce it as "ow", but somewhat less strongly than do most Americans. The "oo" pronunciation is most common in Northern Ontario and Manitoba (as well as Minnesota and the Dakotas... think Fargo)

edit: "ow" as in "cow", not "snow"

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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai Is that out and about thing still true? How would you pronounce "about"? How do Americans pronounce it?

Nah. Ontarians at least say it more like "abeh-oot", whereas Americans say it like "a-bowt". Bowt rhymes with bow, like bowing down.

Americans just hear it as a-boot.

New Englanders actually say it more like "a-boot"... but it sounds like "a-boat".

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quote: Calgary beat Montreal in 5 to take the Stanley Cup.

I think they were may have been some messing around with the simulation .

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quote: Originally posted by joncha Most Canadians pronounce it as "ow", but somewhat less strongly than do most Americans. The "oo" pronunciation is most common in Northern Ontario and Manitoba (as well as Minnesota and the Dakotas... think Fargo) edit: "ow" as in "cow", not "snow"

Better description than mine. This is what I meant.

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quote: Originally posted by Asher You still pick up guys, Jimmy. Think outside the box.

Can't...wrap...mind...around.....

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quote: Originally posted by joncha Here's the link to the full virtual season: http://www.easports.com/games/nhl2005/season.jsp Calgary beat Montreal in 5 to take the Stanley Cup.

Well that's just wrong. No friggen way could Montreal make the final.

And then there's the EA awards:
Hart Trophy (MVP): Milan Hejduk, Colorado
Ross (Scoring): Segei Fedorov, Anaheim
Richard (Goals): Sergei Fedorov, Anaheim
Norris (Defenseman): Sheldon Souray, Montreal
Calder (Rookie): Andre Fleury, Boston
Vezina (Goalie): Andrew Raycroft, Rangers
Smythe (Playoff MVP): Jarome Iginla, Calgary

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I like Canadians. At least the ones I've never met. For some reason every Canadian that I have met has been a complete and utter ****er (maybe the Canadian government is shipping them off to China). Except for the crazy paranoid one. He was just scary.

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quote: Originally posted by DaShi I like Canadians. At least the ones I've never met.

Definitely sig material if you don't mind.

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In context, please.

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quote: Originally posted by joncha Most Canadians pronounce it as "ow", but somewhat less strongly than do most Americans. The "oo" pronunciation is most common in Northern Ontario and Manitoba (as well as Minnesota and the Dakotas... think Fargo) edit: "ow" as in "cow", not "snow"

Absolutely wrong. The movie "Fargo" caricatured the "new Norwegian" accent you'll find in a few communities in Minnesota and Wisconsin. You will not find it in Manitoba, Northern Ontario or for that matter Fargo, ND.

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Not really. The only map I could dig up is centred on the US, but the linguistic areas continue across the border (you can see how the general contours will go). The "upper midwest" dialect on the map is where you'll hear it most strongly as "aboot." You may be referring to differences within that area, but that's not what most people outside of the area pick up on.

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joncha : I've spent most of my life in the area and as an actor that also does voice work, I'd have noticed if people sounded like the cast of "Fargo".

If you have assumed what an upper Midwestern accent is based on the movie, you have been misled. When CBS came to Canada to make a TV pilot off the Fargo movie, I was asked to assist actors with the unique "Fargo accent". I did point out to the director that the accent was a fallacy. Of course I ended up rewatching the movie and gave them a 'New Norway' accent that made them all happy.

I believe the South Park Canadian accent was based on a Hallegonian they met. If you sing maritime Canadian songs (think "I's the B'y") you will find 'aboot'. The Upper Midwest accent is quite neutral.

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First off, the Fargo reference was just to give people a general idea that the accent they think of as "Canadian" is not unique to Canada. I'm not saying people who say "aboot" also end every sentence with "dontcha know."

But I have travelled all across Canada, and the only place I've ever heard anyone say "aboot" is in Manitoba and Northern Ontario. East of there it's similar, but far less pronounced, and West of there its far more flat, nasal and "american". I've done more than enough linguistic work to know the difference between regional accents... I'm not just getting this from Hollywood.

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... and I live there, and have for over 30 years. So hose off, eh ?

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I'm not sure I'm up for it now, but Krazyhorse and NYE managed to extend their pissing contest for a good 6 or 7 pages... surely we can do better than four posts?

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I'm tired boot I'm not aboot to give in too yoooooooou !

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**sniff**

You've posted mom & dad's wedding picture....

... we still had "stubbies" then ...

**sniff**

I'm going to cry myself to sleep now...

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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither I'm fine with Parliament having the power. That is in fact what I am arguing for. I want backbench MPs to have a stronger voice in the governing of our country. That is the way it works in the model that we copied (Westminster).

Well it sure seemed to me that your were concerned by the almost dictatorial powers of your PM. This was a central concern as well of our founding fathers and one of the reasons we split the legislative and executive functions so they were independent of one another.

BTW, as to your Senate. Would it be possible to make its composition the governors of the various provinces (I presume you have directly elected governors at least) and require its consent to legislation?

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No, we do not have directly elected "governors".

The parliamentary system works quite fine thank you. Concerns about the PM having "dictatorial power" are unfounded. There are checks and balances, but they are sometimes to subtle for some people too see.

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quote: Originally posted by joncha Not really. The only map I could dig up is centred on the US, but the linguistic areas continue across the border (you can see how the general contours will go). The "upper midwest" dialect on the map is where you'll hear it most strongly as "aboot." You may be referring to differences within that area, but that's not what most people outside of the area pick up on.

There's something seriously wrong with that map. Northern Virginia is not part of the "Lower South"

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The Canadians being polite yet unfriendly is a trait inherited from the British, were we can be painfully nice to you while stepping over your bleeding corpse.

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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker There's something seriously wrong with that map. Northern Virginia is not part of the "Lower South"

To a Northerner you are. Even alot of DC has a southern feel to it. And culturally its definately not something that resembles Tennessee or Arkansas.

Face it, you're in the South.

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quote: Originally posted by Uncle Sparky Absolutely wrong. The movie "Fargo" caricatured the "new Norwegian" accent you'll find in a few communities in Minnesota and Wisconsin. You will not find it in Manitoba, Northern Ontario or for that matter Fargo, ND.

I have a friend from Fargo, so I will have to disagree.

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quote: Originally posted by Ned Well it sure seemed to me that your were concerned by the almost dictatorial powers of your PM.

His concern was the party leader's dictatorial power within the party.

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara His concern was the party leader's dictatorial power within the party.

And when that party forms the majority, the dictatorial power becomes over the entire country.

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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai No, we do not have directly elected "governors". The parliamentary system works quite fine thank you. Concerns about the PM having "dictatorial power" are unfounded. There are checks and balances, but they are sometimes to subtle for some people too see.

Oh. Well I guess this guy is too inexperienced to see where those checks are. Maybe you should drop him a line and show him where he's gone wrong on the topic.

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quote: Martin urges parliamentary reform, end to 'democratic deficit' Last Updated Tue, 22 Oct 2002 7:57:17 TORONTO - Individual MPs need more power and freedom in the House of Commons, says Liberal MP Paul Martin. Paul Martin In his first major policy speech as a Liberal leadership contender, Martin said Canada's lawmakers are hampered by a system where power is centralized and where MPs must toe the party line. He said reforming the House of Commons will help to buck this trend towards a "democratic deficit." "Unfortunately, the authority of individual Members of Parliament has been allowed to erode, while power of the executive...grows," Martin said in a speech Monday at York University's Osgoode Hall law school. "It's who do you know in the PMO...We must move to address this democratic deficit." He outlined a series of proposed changes which include: Allowing politicians to vote as they choose – not merely vote the party line – as long as the vote doesn't bring down the government Introducing an independent ethics commissioner Having more independent parliamentary committees Renewing the system for private members' bills The former finance minister left cabinet in June after Prime Minister Jean Chrétien banned cabinet members from actively campaigning for the PM post. Since then, Martin has made numerous public appearances and has raised hundreds of thousands of dollars. Written by CBC News Online staff

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quote: Originally posted by Ned Well it sure seemed to me that your were concerned by the almost dictatorial powers of your PM. This was a central concern as well of our founding fathers and one of the reasons we split the legislative and executive functions so they were independent of one another. BTW, as to your Senate. Would it be possible to make its composition the governors of the various provinces (I presume you have directly elected governors at least) and require its consent to legislation?

You are on the right track now, however the PM being in the Commons should not be an issue the way parliaments are supposed to work. For how they are supposed to work we should be looking to Westminster. There it is not a problem for MPs to depose a 'bad' leader (as they did to Thatcher when she went too far) and party discipline is much weaker than it is in Ottawa (and most of the provinces I should think).

I would be interested in knowing if any of the Federalist Papers contain a direct criticism of the parliamentary system. Do you know of any?

re the Senate. As constituted any bill has to pass the Senate in order for it to become law, it's just that they are unelected so most of them do not feel proper in blocking the will of the Commons, usually. They do get involved on commitees, by giving advice for amendments and are involved in the process by the various readings as a bill winds its way towards Royal Assent.

There is a growing movement to change the manner of Senate appointments. Alberta has been agitating along those lines for 20 years. Our first elected Senator entered the Senate in the 80's (Stan Waters). None have followed since.

Lately some of the premiers of other provinces have begun to mumble about Senate appointments as well (New Brunswick and Quebec, IIRC). They argue that the appointments should be in their hands, and not those of the PM. I'm not sure if they are in favour of elections though.

As Tingkai said, we do not have directly elected governors. Each province has a legislature following the parliamentary system, with the premier being leader of the governing party in the leg. I think all of them are unicameral (no Senate).