07-12-2004 09:47									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Micha Order it online. Every marketplace has it. I started with EU1 in 1998, when I found it in a wharehouse by chance... Fell in love with Paradox at that time... I bought every single game they made, and until now EU2 is my favourite (followed by HoI, then CK). What Iīm trying to say is: You should REALLY get that game! Itīs by far my most-played game ever.

What he said.
I've spent more time on EU2 since getting it a couple of years ago than I have on any other game.

If you're having problems finding it you could try a compilation that came out a while ago ... http://www.gameswarehouse.com.au/lo...asp?gameid=9806



Hmmm ... ... EU1 in 1998?

	07-12-2004 21:58									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin I liked EU2 much more then HOI because EU2 is more complicated.

That was my point.


Agathon said that:
"It is certainly worth your money and it is probably best to start with EUII before playing Victoria or Hearts of Iron, which are much more complicated games."

HOI is pretty simple game in comparison with EU2.
But it doesn't really matter, I love all of them EUII, Vicky and HOI.

	07-12-2004 22:41									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Grandpa Troll umm..when I went looking no one had it..is this a very old game..EU2 that is..or was it just not a very good game?

It's about 2-3 years old so in the computer game industry it is ancient. You can sometimes find it in the bargin bin but if you want to get it the best place is one of the online dealers.

	08-12-2004 07:29									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin It's about 2-3 years old so in the computer game industry it is ancient. You can sometimes find it in the bargin bin but if you want to get it the best place is one of the online dealers.

ok..I agree with the "Ancient part"

I ask here because when i went to look I went to "Top shelf" marketplaces and then some lower end sites and even had a kid working at Babbages (ok..they go by Gamestop now) sir..he sez..that game hasnt been released but my records show in a couple weeks (him looking at a pc screen)

so this is the future of service..tell the customer anything..to get rid of him..

	08-12-2004 15:38									#35
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Well, at least you can ask them... Over here, they would just look at you like establishing first contact with an alien lifeform.

Like it was said before, Paradox games never made it to the bestsellerīs list. I donīt really know why, but I guess it has to do with the fancy graphics - or the lack of them
Also these games cannot be played for half an hour in the noon break...

	09-12-2004 04:51									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Micha Well, at least you can ask them... Over here, they would just look at you like establishing first contact with an alien lifeform. Like it was said before, Paradox games never made it to the bestsellerīs list. I donīt really know why, but I guess it has to do with the fancy graphics - or the lack of them Also these games cannot be played for half an hour in the noon break...

thats good..I mean I used to play shooters for hours on end..now..in spurts..whereas I enjoy gaming for hours on end..I enjoy this type..as well as Axis & Allies

I heard from someone here years ago about EUor maybe EU..

I am just gonna stamp my feet until Santa brings it

I am thinking 1 of 2 ways we can get Santa to cooperate

here is the first:

A BRIBE

One of Santas "little helpers"

	09-12-2004 04:52									#37
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_OR-

I may have to mass -release this picture..

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	09-12-2004 09:42									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Micha Like it was said before, Paradox games never made it to the bestsellerīs list. I donīt really know why, but I guess it has to do with the fancy graphics - or the lack of them Also these games cannot be played for half an hour in the noon break...

I think the complexity, which more then anything makes me enjoy Paradox games, puts some people off. I mean zit faced teenagers are the backbone of the industry and that's why Firaxis is going to make Civ 4 a simpler and quicker game. They want pimply kids with low attention spans to buy the game not those of us who want a more complex game.

Plus Paradox is a small company which doesn't have money for flashy 3rd graphics. They'd likely sell more games if they did.

	10-12-2004 00:21									#39
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quote: HOI is pretty simple game in comparison with EU2.

Really? I find HOI much harder. The sheer variety of units and the tech tree make it more complicated for me.

I find that with EUII I don't have to worry about that stuff.

	10-12-2004 03:13									#40
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Well, I guess they mean the principle of play:

In HoI you raise armies, declare war, conquer your enemy and just annex him. Thatīs all. His entire country will now be yours.

In EU2 you have to take into account which culture and which religion a province has, whether you have a core on it, what the fortification level is in comparison to province supply, how large your badboy count already is and so on... Conquered here doesnīt mean owned

	10-12-2004 10:04									#41
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Exactly.
Plus economy in HOI is a real joke, as well as diplomacy. But still it's a great game and let's hope HOI2 will be even better.

	11-12-2004 02:26									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Serb Exactly. Plus economy in HOI is a real joke, as well as diplomacy. But still it's a great game and let's hope HOI2 will be even better.

what..better than a joke?

I wouldnt want to own a joke already have some of them games

ok..now..when does HOI..II come out?

Thanks

Gramps

	11-12-2004 04:50									#43
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HoI2 comes out in the start of January.

	11-12-2004 08:30									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Nikolai HoI2 comes out in the start of January.

Thanks..Ill definetly check it out

	12-12-2004 22:35									#45
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HOI is the GREAT game. It's combat oriented and less complicated than EU2 and Victoria. It's dedicated to WW2 and limited by only 12 years peiod from 1936 up to 1948, so you can't conquer whole world as Cuba or something (despite, playing as Greece on maximum diffuculty, I did conquer all major powers including USA, except USSR of course, but I could do it too, I had about 1 year for that and already had first nukes. It was in 1.05 and CORE 0.7something, I don't remember. With latest patch and latest CORE mod it's not possible, I guess. Untill 1.05 AI was absolute idiot, in 1.05 it was good. With latest patch and latest CORE mode the game is fun for great and medium powers, minors have no chance without cheating and cheating is not acceptable for me.

Buy both HOI and EU these games sure worth it. Just don't forget to patch them up. Don't wait for HOI 2, by HOI 1 now. It's like to wait for Civ2 while you have never played original Civ. Don't waste this chance, enjoy HOI while nobody enjoys HOI 2, yet. You've already missed this chance with EU2. Don't repeat your mistakes.

	12-12-2004 22:41									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Grandpa Troll what..better than a joke?

In HOI diplomacy and economy is a joke in comparison with EU2 or Vicky, but the game itself is great. It's just different, because it's dedicated to pretty short period of history and thus combat oriented. Basically, HOI is a simulator of HQ map games, any generals play to simulate thier future campaign. Therefore HOI is a real dream for any armchair general as well.

	12-12-2004 22:57									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Serb In HOI diplomacy and economy is a joke in comparison with EU2 or Vicky, but the game itself is great. It's just different, because it's dedicated to pretty short period of history and thus combat oriented. Basically, HOI is a simulator of HQ map games, any generals play to simulate thier future campaign. Therefore HOI is a real dream for any armchair general as well.

Thanks

I like the civ genre for "leading a civ to supremacy"

but then again I also enjoy armchair generalin..as well

Looking forward to HOI 2

Gramps

	12-12-2004 23:02									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Grandpa Troll Looking forward to HOI 2 Gramps

Me too. It is the most wanted game for me now.

	12-12-2004 23:06									#49
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On a semi-related note I play a lot of pbem right now between CTP & CIVIII (about 35 games, IIRC at last count)

But I opurchased Axis & Allies and for real..It is along the lines of Ages of Empire:Conquerors,Empiresawn of the Modern World and the two RoN games (Ron & RON:T&P)

Lots of fun

I really enjoy that

hope to chat with ya more in preperation fer HOI 2 my new acquaintence

	18-12-2004 01:10									#50
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hmm I think that paradox bought the rights to civilization and advanced civilization , the Avalon hill board game that is

	18-12-2004 01:52									#51
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Well, you're wrong.