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problem_child is offline problem_child
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Ignoring the boilerplate antireligious screed, should this be called "circumcision"? If they're removing the whole clitoris it's more analogous to emasculation, isn't it? Seems like a minor distinction, I know, but a circumsized man is capable of sexual pleasure and living a full life, so...

And yes, it's ghastly either way, not that it needs to be said.


Actually it doesn't compare. Female circumsision' is incredibly painful, and remains painful throughout her life. It's also more dangerous.

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Only 6 years? That seems obscenely short for such a crime.


Yeah it does, especially from an American point of view, but as a matter of fact, it's a step forward. This tightening of the law is recent, part of a series of initiatives to distance ourselves from the time prior to the late nineties. That was a time when critique of everything immigrant-related was met by the establishment with disdain and accusations of racism and xenophobia, and a perfect example of one of those 'sacred' issues that sadly exist in all political cultures, albeit in various forms.

Personally speaking, it's one of several reasons why I changed my political preference from the socialist party to the current government.

Legislative changes happen slowly, especially here, and assuming there's a lot of abused girls out there (we don't know that yet) I foresee further focus on the issue and further tightening of the laws when they grow up to tell their stories. Keep in mind this only became an issue with the arrival of immigrants from Somalia in the nineties.

On another note Shi, given your interest in Europe, I'd like to encourage you to spend time in a European country, maybe as a part of your studies?

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This is a vile and barbaric practice. Those who inflict it on children should be manditorially sterilized and have their hands removed so they can never mutiliate another child.


Agreed, but what if the mother, whom had already undergone the procedure, had done this? Chop off her legs as well?

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Actually it doesn't compare. Female circumsision' is incredibly painful, and remains painful throughout her life. It's also more dangerous.
Female circumcision is more dangerous than castration?

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This is a vile and barbaric practice. Those who inflict it on children should be manditorially sterilized and have their hands removed so they can never mutiliate another child.


Agreed, but what if the mother, whom had already undergone the procedure, had done this? Chop off her legs as well?
Why? Someone having undergone female circumcision in no ways stops you from sterilizing her or cutting of her hands.

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Besides, I myself am assimilationist, and I reckon all these immigrant problems are turning up now because of the neo-liberal divide & conquor Polotical Correctness Regime of Insincerity agenda to divide everybody as much as possible and make those differences the most important thing in their lives.



What other outlandish conspiracy theories do you believe in? Do you also believe that extraterrestial life created the Pyramids? That the moon landing was all smoke and mirrors?

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Female circumcision is more dangerous than castration?


No idea, but shouldn't they be similar in terms of danger? But then again, we don't practice castration, do we? We are comparing it to what we do, which is male circumcision, which is still something that I don't like. I was circumcised, due to a health reason, and I'm still not 100% happy about that.


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this? Chop off her legs as well?
Why? Someone having undergone female circumcision in no ways stops you from sterilizing here or cutting of her hands.



Ok, we can do that as well, then.

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Female circumcision is more dangerous than castration?


No, than circumcision.

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Female circumcision is more dangerous than castration?


No idea, but shouldn't they be similar in terms of danger? But then again, we don't practice castration, do we? We are comparing it to what we do, which is male circumcision, which is still something that I don't like. I was circumcised, due to a health reason, and I'm still not 100% happy about that.

Elok asked if femal circumcision wasn't rather comparable to castration, whereto problem_child answered that it wasn't, since it caused more pain ( ), lifelong pain, and was more dangerous.

Presumably, he holds that it's not comparable to male circumcision at all - I can't imagine a male thinking that that's worse than castration.

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No, than circumcision.

Well, Elok asked if it ought be compared to emasculation, and problem_child said, no, because it's more dangerous than that.

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Well, they should be pretty much a small phenomenon in here..I have never heard about it being done in here. However if it was done in here by some parents, because no doctor will do that in here, I guess they will be sentenced to... 10 hours in community work.

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Look, unlike many of you unwashed savages, I myself am circumcised, and do not for a moment compare that with the mutilation of female genitalia. For one thing, the 'penis' with females has become the clitoris. So for them it's abit like chopping off your entire penis, as opposed to just the smeg-afflicted skin at the end of it.

But also it's quite different as there are parts of the genitals that get removed that have no male equivalent I imagine, basically cutting away a concentrated and very sensitive bundle of nerve endings because some woman-hating beardy hat-wearer says it must be so eth.

Have you noticed that most pit-of-the-Earth backward goat-shagger countries are also devoutly religious and staunchly sexist? Usually such nations also think nothing of selling/owning/buying/mutilating women and children and yet go on and on about their values alot.

fekkin mugs, and I don't just mean South Carolina either!

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What other outlandish conspiracy theories do you believe in? Do you also believe that extraterrestial life created the Pyramids? That the moon landing was all smoke and mirrors?


Of for chrissakes, what's a 'conspiracy theory' about that?!!?!?!?

Actually, the opinion I express there is usually associated with the Right. I don't like Politicqal Correctness. I am tempted to believe that The Corporations promote PC as a way of dividing people up into nice marketable, controlable, little chunks of humanity that is unable to join forces with anybody who wouldn't fill out the exact same set of little boxes on a form.

However, I think it's more to do with highly prejudiced people trying desperately to pretend they're not, that's why their heads explode with PC'isms when confronted with a human of a different hue. People who really arent secretly steeped in prejudice just don't worry about PC'isms as much because they don't find such differences alarming, or a cause to panick and talk bolloxs.

That's what I think anyway.

I also think the PC-Industry promotes PCness, because overwise where would all those Sociology Students find a place for themselves in the world, if not advising on some Race & Gender Committee somewhere. One of the more famous ones in the UK recenty started going on about how Travellers are a race too.

They must be running out of 'oppressed minorities' to seek government money pre-litigating for. I can't stand the victim-mentality that PC champions so mightily. If they have their way, people in Africa and Asia and Latin America will start to PC'erize themselves, like poorer people in 'inner cities' all over the West are already ghettoizing themselves as quikly as they can (as per instructions). People in the 3rd world have more Heart then that though, and unfortunately, too many real problems to buy into it.

PC is all part of the cultural image-suite put out by the big world Bullshit Exporter IMHO.

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Who are you to pass judgement? I you people think that you respect women while putting them in skimpy clothing. Women in Islam recieve real freedom, and are treated as equals. You people have no right to criticize Islam, after all europe had imperialism.


Skimpy clothing is the choice of the individual. You can find many women who do not partake in the practice.

Circumcision is almost invariably something imposed by outsiders. It is almost invariably performed on minors, and yet its effects will last them long past their majority and independence.

It is a permanent mutilation. Clothing is temporary.

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On another note Shi, given your interest in Europe, I'd like to encourage you to spend time in a European country, maybe as a part of your studies?


I've already been to the UK and Italy, very nice places. I take it when you become rich you'll also pay for me to fly out to Denmark so I can see that too ? If I end up joining the foreign service(diplomat for State dept.) I might get the chance to spend more time over there.

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I thought this would be a thread discussing my great length

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Of for chrissakes, what's a 'conspiracy theory' about that?!!?!?!?

Actually, the opinion I express there is usually associated with the Right. I don't like Politicqal Correctness. I am tempted to believe that The Corporations promote PC as a way of dividing people up into nice marketable, controlable, little chunks of humanity that is unable to join forces with anybody who wouldn't fill out the exact same set of little boxes on a form.

However, I think it's more to do with highly prejudiced people trying desperately to pretend they're not, that's why their heads explode with PC'isms when confronted with a human of a different hue. People who really arent secretly steeped in prejudice just don't worry about PC'isms as much because they don't find such differences alarming, or a cause to panick and talk bolloxs.

That's what I think anyway.

I also think the PC-Industry promotes PCness, because overwise where would all those Sociology Students find a place for themselves in the world, if not advising on some Race & Gender Committee somewhere. One of the more famous ones in the UK recenty started going on about how Travellers are a race too.

They must be running out of 'oppressed minorities' to seek government money pre-litigating for. I can't stand the victim-mentality that PC champions so mightily. If they have their way, people in Africa and Asia and Latin America will start to PC'erize themselves, like poorer people in 'inner cities' all over the West are already ghettoizing themselves as quikly as they can (as per instructions). People in the 3rd world have more Heart then that though, and unfortunately, too many real problems to buy into it.

PC is all part of the cultural image-suite put out by the big world Bullshit Exporter IMHO.



So what kind of medication are you on?

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Not all PC is necessarily a bad idea. Part of it is also about not being a dumb****. Don't throw out the delicious bathwater with the repellent baby.

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Problem_child,: there is a difference between the UK and the rest of Europe on this.
In the UK you can talk about this in public ( TV ), you cannot do so anywhere else.
It is slowly changing though.


I don't know how your danish and swedish are, but i can assure you that in Denmark the same is allowed (ok, some PC persons still twitch, but they are mainly ignored). If you are not that strong in those two languages you have missed that swedish politicians has declared that denmark is turning into at least a racistic nazi country. Not because we do anything cruel to somebody, just because people talk openly about issues.

Funny enough (no, the subject isn't funny ) but danish tv has for some time ago shown a documentary about how female circumcision is professionally organised in sweden - i don't know if it has ever been shown in sweden.

Really, i don't like the expression - female circumcision - it has no relation to male circumcision. The latter is only a question of removing some excess skin where the first is comparable with .... no, can't find a comparation. The result although is that the women is turned into a simple birthmachine.

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Not all PC is necessarily a bad idea. Part of it is also about not being a dumb****. Don't throw out the delicious bathwater with the repellent baby.


Well, not being a racist/sexist jerk is a good thing. I really don't believe people need Political Correctness Thought-Crime Principals to know how to get on well enough with other human beings. And I don't think it's something to shout about if you have to 'Tolerate' people who are different from you, as opposed to simply accept/have-no-particular-thoughts about peoples differences.

I also think that people should be able to say that a religion sucks without being called racist. For one thing, although each religion belives itself to be somehow different and exceptional... at the end of the day they are just ideas. Any society where ideas can't be challeneged, or said to suck (especially when they're as judgemental, prejudicial, narrow-minded, anthropocentric and backward as religions tend to be),
isn't a society I want to stand up for.

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Originally posted by Shi Huangdi I've already been to the UK and Italy, very nice places.


I agree, but you must spend months in the same country and hang out with its people to really know what it's about. Your obvious interest in Europe deserves that - and yes, the very same moment I'm rich, I'll pay for your plane ticket to Copenhagen and show you around.

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Funny enough (no, the subject isn't funny ) but danish tv has for some time ago shown a documentary about how female circumcision is professionally organised in sweden - i don't know if it has ever been shown in sweden.


Not as far as I know...
The main debate in Sweden now is about the evil men beating up their wives and generally oppressing them. Some of the problems immigrant (mainly muslim) women in Sweden experience are discussed in that context, however, so I guess you could say that we are doing some small progress even here.

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Well, not being a racist/sexist jerk is a good thing. I really don't believe people need Political Correctness Thought-Crime Principals to know how to get on well enough with other human beings. And I don't think it's something to shout about if you have to 'Tolerate' people who are different from you, as opposed to simply accept/have-no-particular-thoughts about peoples differences.


Tomayto, tomahto. It all comes down to the labels used in the opinion columns you like.

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OBVIOUSLY Europe needs a squadron of Vagina inspectors to inspect every young girl....




What the hell do you expect them to do to fix this lol?

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try http://www.dr.dk/prj/tvi/filmsedo/d...glemtepiger.htm you may have a better chance to find the origin - my swedish isn't that good

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It seems it has been shown in Swedish tv

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I don't understand what this mutilation is. What exactly do they do?

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They cut away all the external vagina parts, including the clitoris, and then close the hole by sewing the inner lips together. The girl becomes a cripple for the rest of her life

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The muslim population is rising and since certain parts of the muslim world practice this barbaric ritual...


It seems to me this is an African ritual rather than a Muslim ritual. Some of those who practice it are Muslims, others are Christians, some belong to other religions, but all of them are Africans. I may be wrong, but this is my perception of the situation.

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They cut away all the external vagina parts, including the clitoris, and then close the hole by sewing the inner lips together. The girl becomes a cripple for the rest of her life


how could you have sex with them after that?

I don't much about women, so I'm not sure.

 
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