28-11-2004 03:47									#91
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Getting back Ukraine != kicking Germany's ass.

I've never said we won WW1. I've said we kicked Germans a couple of times before and after that.

	28-11-2004 03:47									#92
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Ahhh, Siberia...

	28-11-2004 03:53									#93
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	28-11-2004 03:57									#94
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quote: Originally posted by Trip Ahhh, Siberia...

Nope, it's Nevada or something.

	28-11-2004 03:58									#95
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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist If technologically comparable adversaries are required, Charles XII's victory over the Russians at Narva is fairly cool - the Swedish army was outnumbered 4-1. Then, the Russians weren't expecting to be attacked.

I should probably read the whole thread before replying, but this is my view of the battle of Narva:

The Russian defenders had fixed positions , so they were stuck where they were. The Swedish attackers were mobile and could chose the direction from where they attacked. The weather was horrible, and the Swedes used that with great skill. They attacked with the raging snow storm blowing from their backs, so that the Russians could not see them until the Swedes were 10 meters from the Russian trenches. The Russians fled in panic, and the bridge over the river was a narrow bottle-neck for their retreat. Hundreds, if not thousands, of Russian soldiers fell into the river and died in the freezing waters.

	28-11-2004 03:59									#96
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quote: Originally posted by Serb I've never said we won WW1. I've said we kicked Germans a couple of times before and after that.

And I said your ass got kicked in WW1 and the Cold War.

	28-11-2004 04:03									#97
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Didn't Japan beat up on a Russia a little bit in the late 1800's or early 1900's? I wouldn't say "kicked their asses" but came out the victor.

	28-11-2004 04:03									#98
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker And I said your ass got kicked in WW1 and the Cold War.

And I asked to name me a single neighbour we didn't beat.
Cold war doesn't count, because it's not a real war.

	28-11-2004 04:06									#99
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quote: Originally posted by Serb And I asked to name me a single neighbour we didn't beat. Cold war doesn't count, because it's not a real war.

Afghanistan? China?

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quote: Originally posted by Serb Now I see why they call you the Last Confirmist. You are the last who accept the truth.

Note to self: Next you you run of arguments, attack adversary's username, and hope your patheticness will move bystanders to pity.

	28-11-2004 04:07									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Serb And I asked to name me a single neighbour we didn't beat.

Japan.

	28-11-2004 04:08									#102
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quote: Originally posted by dudemanjack Didn't Japan beat up on a Russia a little bit in the late 1800's or early 1900's? I wouldn't say "kicked their asses" but came out the victor.

We paid them back twice. Check the links on page three or type "Khalkin Gol 1939" and Manchuria 1945" in any search engine.

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quote: Originally posted by dudemanjack Didn't Japan beat up on a Russia a little bit in the late 1800's or early 1900's? I wouldn't say "kicked their asses" but came out the victor.

1904-1905... and it was a pretty bad beat-down.

	28-11-2004 04:11									#104
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Yea that was around 1905 I think dudemanjack. Japan made initial gains in fighting, sunk both Russian fleets in sucession,etc, but couldn't carry the fighting into Russia and knew it. A "peace" agreement was brokered by the US and our British lackeys(or it might have been the other way around at that point in time), forcing Japan to give most if not all of what it got back.

the treaty :http://www.lib.byu.edu/~rdh/wwi/1914m/portsmouth.html

	28-11-2004 04:12									#105
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Yes, but the Soviets kicked Japan's butt in WWII. They smashed the Japanese in Manchurian and Korea. Many credit the Soviet invasion with the Japanese surrender.

The Russians never kicked China's butt, though, at least not without help.

	28-11-2004 04:12									#106
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quote: Originally posted by dudemanjack Afghanistan?

When we lost to them?

quote: China?

Nope. Beaten them a couple of times. Last time in 1969, Russian casualties- 58 KIA, Chinese casualties over ten thousand KIA.

Next try.

	28-11-2004 04:15									#107
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quote: Originally posted by Serb "Khalkin Gol 1939"

That was an incident, not a war.

	28-11-2004 04:15									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Serb Like Russia was ever ready for a war. Every time when war starts Russia doesn't ready, however it doesn't change the outcome- Russia get her crap together and wins.

Russia STARTED that war. If you weren't ready, you were idiots!

	28-11-2004 04:17									#109
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quote: Originally posted by Serb When we lost to them?

1989.

	28-11-2004 04:18									#110
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quote: Originally posted by Serb When we lost to them?

Yes

	28-11-2004 04:22									#111
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quote: Originally posted by Serb Who needs your SUVs? We have our own, not to mention tanks that are the most suitable transport for Siberian roads.

Lol! Sig material

	28-11-2004 04:24									#112
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quote: Originally posted by Serb Nope. Beaten them a couple of times. Last time in 1969, Russian casualties- 58 KIA, Chinese casualties over ten thousand KIA.

That was a border skirmish, not a war. It doesn't count.

	28-11-2004 04:25									#113
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quote: Originally posted by Chemical Ollie Lol! Sig material

Not really. Tracked vehicals are really the only vehicals suitable for traveling in Siberia during the winter. Tires will freeze and shatter.

	28-11-2004 04:27									#114
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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist 1989.

And what is your defenition for defeat then?
AFAIK it is recognized by most of the people that country lost the war if as the result of that war it lost something. When Soviets entered Afghanistan there was a friendly socialist government. Soviets tested their new weapons for a decade there, gained a valuable experience and when they left there was still a friendly socialist government. So how the hell it could be a defeat?

	28-11-2004 04:29									#115
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara That was a border skirmish, not a war. It doesn't count.

It was an attack of at least one division vs. garrison of border guards.
But why it doesn't count? Soviet border guards certanly kicked some arses there.

	28-11-2004 04:30									#116
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quote: Originally posted by Ser And what is your defenition for defeat then?

The same way the U.S. was defeated in Vietnam. We eventually decided to leave because we got tired of fighting and very soon after our puppet government collapsed.

Either we lost Vietnam or you didn't lose Afganistan. You can't have both.

	28-11-2004 04:31									#117
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quote: Originally posted by Serb But why it doesn't count?

Cuz it was a border skirmish. What were you guys fighting over, an island in the Amur River?

	28-11-2004 04:31									#118
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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist Note to self: Next you you run of arguments, attack adversary's username, and hope your patheticness will move bystanders to pity.

Hey relax it was a typo.

	28-11-2004 04:31									#119
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Not really. Tracked vehicals are really the only vehicals suitable for traveling in Siberia during the winter. Tires will freeze and shatter.

Duh, It's sig material because it's cocky and it's true. He has a point, and the point kicks ass

	28-11-2004 04:32									#120
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quote: Originally posted by Serb And what is your defenition for defeat then? AFAIK it is recognized by most of the people that country lost the war if as the result of that war it lost something. When Soviets entered Afghanistan there was a friendly socialist government. Soviets tested their new weapons for a decade there, gained a valuable experience and when they left there was still a friendly socialist government. So how the hell it could be a defeat?

This is almost as good as when Ned was denying that the US lost in Vietnam.

I suppose the Serbiverse and the Nedaverse are pretty similar ...