01-12-2004 02:35									#31
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You get more and more funny... Though I am curious to see what happens when we get to know the thruth... Over at PEF they know nothing of this btw, and just laughts of it...

	01-12-2004 05:40									#32
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icett is my new hero!

	01-12-2004 11:46									#33
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Again to calm you all! Paradox has bought Civilization rights and CIV 4 will be released by the first half of 2005. Be patient, CIV 4 is very near!

	01-12-2004 17:18									#34
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God I hope not. Paradox would murder this game. They are really not suited to the style of gameplay in Civ. Their games are far too incremental and stats based. One of the strengths of Civ is its structured gameplay. E.g. population units. You don't get 1% more people per turn and not notice the change, you get a new population unit after 10 turns and thats a noticeable difference. This idea goes through the whole design and is completely at odds with Paradox's design. If for one much prefer the Civ style as I'm playing a game and not taking a history lesson I know some of you will disagree!

	01-12-2004 17:58									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Trip Definition of publish: "To prepare and issue (something) for public distribution or sale."

That would be a pretty accurate description of game development as well, or for baking cookies for that matter

quote: Originally posted by Araanor I Don't know if you're trying to be funny. Going by how the terms are used in the games industry, publishing and distributing are two clearly separate activities. They're often handled by the same companies, publishers. Atari are not publishing Paradox games.

In this context they are effectively the same.

What does a game publisher typically do besides distributing the game? Bluntly put, they only get to design the CD label, do tech support and put their logo on the final product. Of course this is grossly oversimplifying the situation but that's basically what it boils down to. Development companies actually design the product, publishers physically issues copies and distribute and sell them. The difference between self-publishing and external publishing is merely in how much influence the companies involved have over things like distribution format, retail price, box/manual/CD art/logo's, tech support, etc. This power distribution differs per company (and often even per game) anyway, so this so-called 'self-publishing' is merely a matter of semantics. As it stands, Paradox can't sell a single copy of any of their games without the aid of a publisher like Atari or Strategy First, even if the word used to describe the activities of these latter companies for a specific game is not 'publishing'.

In the context of Civ4, the suggestion would be that Firaxis would design the game, Paradox would publish it and Atari or Strategy First or someone else would distribute it? I don't think so! If true, I think that would be a first in the history of the gaming industry and not a very smart move as it would merely reduce the profit margin for all parties involved.

	01-12-2004 18:11									#36
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither But who the hell bought it, but doesn't want to say? Nervousness encroaches.

One possible theory I can think of that Firaxis has bought the rights but they haven't found a new publisher yet and don't want to announce anything until a deal has been finalized.

Or it may be something mundane like the fact that whoever bought the rights plans to announce the acquisition as part of a more comprehensive financial report (like Atari did), which may simply have been planned at a later date. I mean, it all seems like a really big deal to us hardcore fans, but for a large publishing company it might just be one of many deals.

	02-12-2004 00:58									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Nikolai Who is icet a DL of?

Most important question on this thread remains unanswered.

	02-12-2004 01:02									#38
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I'm wondering if he isn't a DL after all. He's active over at Paradox too, pestering the mods with multiple thread on the same topic, asking what will be the next game...!

	02-12-2004 01:34									#39
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I hope he's not a DL, that would put an end to our entertainment once he's found out

	02-12-2004 03:12									#40
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http://cyberex.eiak.org/M4/M4_2_view.html?no=767

Ah, Google. You think someone with such inside knowledge of the games industry would have contacts already.

http://www.singles-bar.com/details....hip=Matrimonial

	02-12-2004 03:17									#41
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Now that's low.

	02-12-2004 03:18									#42
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@ Maq



.......and icett...

	18-03-2005 23:38									#43
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so have we had any further notice on a release date?

	18-03-2005 23:50									#44
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Confirmed as "late 2005", no word beyond that. Realistically, since they didn't say "fall 2005", I think it's quite possible that they're going for a Christmas release. I am definitely willing to wait an extra month or two in order for the game to have decent playtesting.

	19-03-2005 13:43									#45
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first half of 2005 is just about over

any takers?

	19-03-2005 17:14									#46
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quote: first half of 2005 is just about over

Half over? That 3 and a half foot snowdrift outside my front window is just beginning to melt.

2005 will be half over on Canada Day (July 1st).

	19-03-2005 17:25									#47
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How come this thread is being revived?

* Trifna gives an award to this thread: best laugh of the year

	22-03-2005 22:16									#48
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Look, what I told you turned out to be right. Paradox gained Civilization rights through its proxy company Take2 of which the major owner is Paradox. I told you that before.

	24-03-2005 07:53									#49
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quote: Originally posted by icett Most probably CIVILIZATION 4 will be released in the first half of 2005.

Apparently not.


I'm expecting a mid-October to late-November release; I doubt they would want to miss out on the Christmas season.