28-11-2004 00:30									#1
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Most probably CIVILIZATION 4 will be released in the first half of 2005.

	28-11-2004 01:04									#2
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And you base this on........?

	28-11-2004 02:04									#3
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	28-11-2004 02:24									#4
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I wonder if he's seen Dan Magaha's post which confirms that Firaxis is still developing CIV, and not Paradox?

	28-11-2004 02:56									#5
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Well his act got old pretty quick.

	28-11-2004 03:12									#6
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I have a really nice and fitting picture to go with this thread but I think I'd get in trouble with the owners if I'd use such a visual depiction of the term 'attention whore'

	28-11-2004 06:26									#7
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	28-11-2004 11:47									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Trip I wonder if he's seen Dan Magaha's post which confirms that Firaxis is still developing CIV, and not Paradox?

Trip,


Firaxis may or may not be developing the game but the rights are with Paradox.

	28-11-2004 11:50									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Dauphin Do not question divine revelation.

Dauphin,


You have a good sense of humor dude.

	28-11-2004 11:55									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Nikolai And you base this on........?

Nikolai,


Read much information and came to this conclusion. This is my judgement. It may come out to be wrong but as I have already said MOST PROBABLY the timing is the first half of 2005.

	28-11-2004 16:15									#11
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I fail to see the marketting department. I never saw a game not doing marketting before it was out, at least lightly early on... It would seem like a new and curious strategy

	28-11-2004 17:56									#12
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Atari still benefits from the sales if the game is released before October 2005.

I do believe cIV has been in production about a year before cIV was announced. (Mainly the engine and design work). I would say that a lot of cIV is actually done and now they are just bulking it up.

It's great that they haven't talked about cIV too much, it ruins the game for us in the end.

Civilization is a game that has to be discovered during play, not before play.

	28-11-2004 18:13									#13
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1) The game being released within the next 6 months is bull. Marketing for new games usually starts at least 6 months (usually more) before release and not marketing a game properly is by the modern gaming industry considered commercial suicide (at present, the vast majority of casual gamers doesn't even know about the existance of Civilization 4 yet, it'll take a while to change that). Firaxis announced in October that they would reveal the first details on the game (thereby effectively starting the marketing campaign) in early 2005.

Also, if true it would IIRC be a first for Firaxis to publish a game without presenting it at E3 (which takes place in May) well in advance of release, which would be equally unwise from a marketing standpoint.

Finally, virtually all games and expansion packs developed by Firaxis have been released in the 4th quarter (or very late 3rd quarter). SimGolf and SMAC are the only exceptions, in both cases as a result of unexpected setbacks. I would bet a limb that Civilization 4 is planned to be released in Q4 2005.

2) Paradox is a developement company, not a publisher. Paradox's games are published by Atari and Strategy First. Even if Paradox would have the funds to buy the rights of Civilization, the only reason for them to do so would be to develop Civilization games, not to publish them. And we know this can't be true as Firaxis has already been developing Civilization 4 for at least about a year now (and Firaxis employees have confirmed in the past days that this has not been affected by the sale of the rights).

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	28-11-2004 18:19									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Sn00py Atari still benefits from the sales if the game is released before October 2005.

No, Atari retains the rights to sell previous Civ titles until October 2005. So Civ1-3, but not Civ4.

	28-11-2004 21:37									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus No, Atari retains the rights to sell previous Civ titles until October 2005. So Civ1-3, but not Civ4.

Yeah, selling it for many millions of dollars and still getting money from the sales would be quite a deal.

	28-11-2004 22:31									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Trip Yeah, selling it for many millions of dollars and still getting money from the sales would be quite a deal.

Yeah Trip,



Its really a very clever deal. Now you must have understood what Paradox is. Paradox is really a paradox; nobody can understand it except the ones like me deep inside the gaming industry.

	28-11-2004 22:34									#17
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I know I know. Just stick around another week... or else I'll have to hunt you down at the Paradox forums.

	29-11-2004 00:49									#18
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I love icett!!!

	29-11-2004 01:47									#19
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Who is icet a DL of?

	29-11-2004 02:16									#20
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quote: Originally posted by icett nobody can understand it except the ones like me deep inside the gaming industry.

Tell us more of your "inside knowledge", oh great omniscient icett! It is most amusing.

Vovan

	29-11-2004 02:42									#21
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Yeah! We'll listen with great joy!

	29-11-2004 22:14									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus 2) Paradox is a developement company, not a publisher. Paradox's games are published by Atari and Strategy First.

Paradox have been in the publishing business for a while, just not for games. Which changed recently, due to the ineptness of Strategy First they chose to self-publish for the North American area and made a deal with Atari for the distribution. Crusader Kings was the first game they published in NA.

	29-11-2004 22:39									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Araanor made a deal with Atari for the distribution

In other words, Atari is doing the publishing

	29-11-2004 22:49									#24
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Definition of publish:

"To prepare and issue (something) for public distribution or sale."

Yeah, sounds like Atari was the publisher.

	30-11-2004 02:11									#25
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I Don't know if you're trying to be funny.

Going by how the terms are used in the games industry, publishing and distributing are two clearly separate activities. They're often handled by the same companies, publishers. Atari are not publishing Paradox games.

	30-11-2004 02:43									#26
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No, that's done by Pan Vision in Scandinavia for example.

	30-11-2004 14:06									#27
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But who the hell bought it, but doesn't want to say?

Nervousness encroaches.

	30-11-2004 16:24									#28
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My money is on Micrososft and them creating an Xbox only version to force us all to get the console

	30-11-2004 17:30									#29
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Hrrrmmfff... You shouldn't joke about such important matters...

	01-12-2004 02:14									#30
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Paradox has bought Civilization rights and CIV 4 will be released by the first half of 2005. Be patient, CIV 4 is very near, and specially I have a great sympathy for Trip and I hope that he will not get tripped after he finds out the truth and remain here with us as we dont want to lose such a gem.