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quote: 200 pledge willingness to carry out suicide attacks against Americans, Israelis 01:56 AM EST Dec 03 An Iranian man, prepares his daughter by covering her face in the same style of Palestinian and Lebanese militants, during a ceremony for the first suicide commandos unit at a cemetery just outside Tehran, Iran, Thursday. (AP Photo/Vahid Salemi) NASSER KARIMI TEHRAN, Iran, (AP) - Some 200 masked young men and women gathered at a Tehran cemetery Thursday to pledge their willingness to carry out suicide bomb attacks against Americans in Iraq and Israelis. The ceremony was organized by the Headquarters for Commemorating Martyrs of the Global Islamic Movement, a shadowy group that has since June been seeking volunteers for attacks in Iraq and Israel. A spokesman, Ali Mohammadi, described Thursday's group as the "first suicide commando unit," though another official has claimed members already have carried out attacks in Israel. "Sooner or later we will bury all blasphemous occupiers of Islamic lands," Mohammadi said. Sunday, Iran's deputy interior minister for security affairs told reporters the movement had no official sanction and said such groups could operate only "as long as their ideas are limited to theory." The group, though, has the backing of some prominent hard-line Iranian politicians. The deputy minister, Ali Asghar Ahmadi, did not say if the government had tried to crack down on the military style training the group claims to offer or whether officials believed any of its volunteers had crossed into Iraq or into Israel. Iran has had no diplomatic ties with the United States since the 1979 Islamic revolution ousted the U.S.-backed shah. But it says it has no interest in fomenting instability in Iraq and that it tries to block any infiltration into Iraq by insurgents - while pleading that its porous borders are hard to police. Iran portrays Israel as its main nemesis and backs anti-Israeli groups like Lebanon's Hezbollah. Wives, husbands and children accompanied volunteers to the cemetery, which was decorated with posters denouncing America and Israel. "I joined the unit to fulfill my religious task for Palestine," said a volunteer who gave only his age - 23. Thursday's ceremony included the unveiling of two-meter (6-foot) stone column commemorating a 1983 attack on U.S. Marine barracks in Lebanon as "the biggest suicide bombing operation against global blasphemy." In the early hours of Oct. 23, 1983, a truck carrying more than 2,000 pounds of explosives sped past a sentry post and exploded in the center of the barracks, killing 241 Marines. Then U.S. President Ronald Reagan ordered U.S. troops to withdraw from Lebanon a few months after the bombing. In 2003 a federal judge blamed Iran for the 1983 terrorist bombing in Beirut and said Tehran would have to pay damages to survivors and relatives. © The Canadian Press, 2004

http://www.cbc.ca/cp/world/041202/w120250.html

Yeah, Iran says it dosen't support them, but that seems a bit of a stretch to me, given how they're meeting in the open, in the capital, setting up monuments.

	03-12-2004 12:16									#2
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How does that differ from the Michigan Militia or those clowns that run around in bedsheets?

	03-12-2004 12:20									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker How does that differ from the Michigan Militia or those clowns that run around in bedsheets?

These people are more likely to blow someone up?

	03-12-2004 12:37									#4
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The Iranian government knows about these terrorists and refuses to inforce their own anti-terrorism laws. If one Coalition soldier is killed in Iraq then I say it is the same as a declaration of war and we need to bomb the Iranians into the stone age. I seriously doubt the Iranians would fight a land war because they know they'd get their asses handed to them on the open plains of Iraq and southwestern Iran. All we need to do is bomb the **** out of them until they agree to do what we say. If our demands are reasonable (like stopping terrorist attacks they know about in advance, stop making nuclear weapons, and stop sponsoring Hamas) then I think they will comply but only if they know we are serious and that we will hurt them very badly if they don't comply.

	03-12-2004 12:39									#5
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There's no way the Iranians let these people attack our forces. This is a political ploy. They're up to something else.

OTOH, it's possible the Iranians believe they are safe, since the U.S. is now over deployed and can't spare the forces to invade Iran, though we could give them a good bombing. Course, they've been bomed before, so they probably think they can handle it.

If they can get the DPRK to rattle their sabers a little . . .

	03-12-2004 12:43									#6
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Umhh difficult question. I'd say that in certain situations it can't be interpreted as an act of war. But there could be scenarios where it could be an act of war. Really depends.

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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker How does that differ from the Michigan Militia or those clowns that run around in bedsheets?

I didn't know they were setting up monuments in Washington DC.

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what about timmy mcveigh. he was an inbred-hick-run-around-in-bedsheets guy. theses guys might be the same.

	03-12-2004 15:29									#9
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Yeah, Iran says it dosen't support them, but that seems a bit of a stretch to me, given how they're meeting in the open, in the capital, setting up monuments.

Condoning is not the same as supporting.

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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia what about timmy mcveigh. he was an inbred-hick-run-around-in-bedsheets guy. theses guys might be the same.

We killed McVeigh.

	03-12-2004 16:39									#11
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Murderers.

	03-12-2004 18:32									#12
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk We killed McVeigh.

We didn't declare war on Michicagn.

	03-12-2004 19:49									#13
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And McVeigh didn't blow something up in Canada.

It's a bad comparison, since McVeigh attacked his own nation, while these people are intending to target other nations.

Does anybody here believe that Iran's response would be anything but merciless if they were intending to attack domestic targets?

	03-12-2004 19:50									#14
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Does anybody here believe that Iran's response would be anything but merciless if they were intending to attack domestic targets?

Nope.

	03-12-2004 20:12									#15
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quote: There's no way the Iranians let these people attack our forces. This is a political ploy. They're up to something else.

How do we know that this group hasn't already blown up Americans in Iraq.

	03-12-2004 20:17									#16
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara These people are more likely to blow someone up?

And less likely to tie some guy to the back of a truck and drive across the state or lynch em. good point.

	03-12-2004 20:18									#17
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quote: Originally posted by DanS How do we know that this group hasn't already blown up Americans in Iraq.

Good question. I'm guessing here, but I'd guess that because the resistence is largley Sunni, they wouldn't be welcoming the Iranians with open arms, and Farsi speakers would stand out where intel is concerned, Presumably, Iran wouldn't let them carry out any acts against us, since they wouldn't want to give the U.S. an excuse to start bombing their country (including their nuke facilities).

	03-12-2004 20:21									#18
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quote: Originally posted by problem_child And less likely to tie some guy to the back of a truck and drive across the state or lynch em. good point.

Let's see . . . number of racists lynching Black people versus number of people beheaded by Muslim extremists . . .

Oh, and the guys who killed that man, weren't part of an organized group. They were trying to organize a group, but they weren't doing it openly either.

This is a really sad troll, when even I have to defend the U.S.

	03-12-2004 20:23									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin The Iranian government knows about these terrorists and refuses to inforce their own anti-terrorism laws. If one Coalition soldier is killed in Iraq then I say it is the same as a declaration of war and we need to bomb the Iranians into the stone age. I seriously doubt the Iranians would fight a land war because they know they'd get their asses handed to them on the open plains of Iraq and southwestern Iran. All we need to do is bomb the **** out of them until they agree to do what we say. If our demands are reasonable (like stopping terrorist attacks they know about in advance, stop making nuclear weapons, and stop sponsoring Hamas) then I think they will comply but only if they know we are serious and that we will hurt them very badly if they don't comply.

Iran could give America a world of pain militarily, both they and America knows it. That's not to say they could win the war, but they copuld make one pretty nastily pyrrhic.

And if somebody had bombed America back in the days of the Contras or any of the over dissident-proxies your contries have used in foreign nations, then they would have been acting in accordance with your own standards. If they did it just sto stop America building more nukes, that would still be totally reasonable.

You could replace your entire post that I have quoted with the legend "Might Is right".

	03-12-2004 20:25									#20
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Let's see . . . number of racists lynching Black people versus number of people beheaded by Muslim extremists . . . Oh, and the guys who killed that man, weren't part of an organized group. They were trying to organize a group, but they weren't doing it openly either. This is a really sad troll, when even I have to defend the U.S.

chrissakes, when someone expresses an opinion you don't agree with, that doesn't make it a troll. Mkay? Mkay.

The article is talking about suicide bombers, not beheading in muslim nations. And if the Ku Klux Klan had their way, all black people and Jews in every nation could consider themselves a targetm, just as all non muslims can consider ourselves a target of Islamic extremists.

	03-12-2004 20:26									#21
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quote: Originally posted by problem_child Iran could give America a world of pain militarily, both they and America knows it.

Only if we invade. We could bomb them pretty much without trouble. We'd have to move our fleet out of the Persian Gulf, but we'd put a world of hurt on Iran.

	03-12-2004 20:27									#22
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quote: Originally posted by problem_child chrissakes, when someone expresses an opinion you don't agree with, that doesn't make it a troll. Mkay? Mkay

I called it a troll because it was a piss-poor argument so far out of touch with reality that even I, a severe critique of my country, had to step up and say, you're full of sh!t.

quote: The article is talking about suicide bombers, not beheading in muslim nations.

It's not talking about American racists either, but you saw fit to intrduce them into the discussion.

	03-12-2004 20:28									#23
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Only if we invade. We could bomb them pretty much without trouble. We'd have to move our fleet out of the Persian Gulf, but we'd put a world of hurt on Iran.

Also closing down a major avenue for oil-traffic, the Persian Gulf. Iranian missiles and artillary could devastate stock markets. In fact they'd be cleverer just to posture you to death in Iraq, and not declare war at all.

	03-12-2004 20:29									#24
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara quote: Originally posted by problem_child chrissakes, when someone expresses an opinion you don't agree with, that doesn't make it a troll. Mkay? Mkay I called it a troll because it was a piss-poor argument so far out of touch with reality that even I, a severe critique of my country, had to step up and say, you're full of sh!t. It's not talking about American racists either, but you saw fit to intrduce them into the discussion.

check yor facts friend, Ted Striker drew the comparison first, and I agree with him.

And a troll is an attempt to start up a big useless fight. I genuinly agree with Teds point, there's no point rubbishing peoples opinions just because you dissagree Che, I'm dissapointed in you.

	03-12-2004 20:32									#25
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quote: Originally posted by problem_child Also closing down a major avenue for oil-traffic, the Persian Gulf. Iranian missiles and artillary could devastate stock markets. In fact they'd be cleverer just to posture you to death in Iraq, and not declare war at all.

Only until we cleared out the missiles. It's not like they shut down shipping during the undeclared war we had with them during the 80s. Anyway, high oil prices hurt our competitors more than they hurt us.

	03-12-2004 20:35									#26
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quote: Originally posted by problem_child check yor facts

Wiglaf???

	03-12-2004 20:51									#27
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Why do people insist on quoting p_c? It removes the point of him being on ignore.

	03-12-2004 21:35									#28
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Up next: Invasion of Saudi Arabia 2005? Invasion of Pakistan 2006?

Oh! Sorry! I probably shouldn't critisise our democratic, peaceful allies

	03-12-2004 21:38									#29
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2/10

Predictable and way to blunt. Successful trolls should wield thier weapons with the skill of a surgeon.

	03-12-2004 21:40									#30
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Why do people insist on quoting p_c? It removes the point of him being on ignore.

That's one way of lookin at it.