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DracoOmega
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Canada
Dec 1999
time: 05:13
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This thread is for suggestions for a MoM 2 game.
I'm not commiting to the project yet but I want to see if people are interested in it.
Also, if anyone is also interested in working on the project post here as well.
Here are some of my preliminary ideas for improvement;
Just the basic stuff.
I think the settings for starting a game should be more
customizable. You should be able to select the map size and the ammount of neutral cities.
Maybe even the ammount of starting pick (within a small range. Maybe 8-12)
There should be a map editor for making premade worlds,
maybe even support for scenarios.
I'll definitly add multiplayer. At least hotseat (I've never tried programming for modems  )
Also there should be a breakdown of where all the mana you're paying for unit spell upkeep is going. There is no way to find that out in MoM without checking all your units.
This next one is just minor quibling, but I think you should be able to view your income without having to end all your units turns and view the spell you are casting without going into a seperate screen.
During combat, there should be a damage breakdown for attacks so you can see how much damage each part of your attack is doing (poison, flame breath, meele, ect.)
Also, when a unit with a range attack is in meele range there should be a choice as to weather it uses its meele or range attacks. This wouldn't be used too much but sometimes I've had hero's whos meele attack was much more then their range attack but I couldn't use it unless I used up all their shots.
And of course, improved graphics. (Although I won't be able to do this as I can't draw worth beens)
Well that's all I've thought of at the moment.
Please, post if you have any suggestions, comments, or wish to work on the project.
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how do you want do code it? C++? Turbo Pascal  ?
shouldn't we let a game company do that work? that Hasbro ***** shall search the studios for doing all the programming stuff. we make the ideas, they do all the work. that's life!
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DracoOmega
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Canada
Dec 1999
time: 05:13
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I don't mean an actual sequal. Just an unofficial remake made by fans. Besides, there hasn't even been an announcement that there will be a MoM 2.
Why would it hurt to make something anyway?
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because it would mean WORK!!!
I'm lazy, I don't want to work! I just want to play that game, not make it... uh... work... 
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DracoOmega
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Canada
Dec 1999
time: 05:13
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John D Ward: I'm not familier with Age of Wonders so maybe you could explain the race relation model to me.
Shadowstrike: I though about the extra races idea but can you think of any major races which aren't already in there?
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DracoOmega
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Canada
Dec 1999
time: 05:13
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Just bumping this post up a bit to see if I can generate some more interest.
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Frogman
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I have been into Age of Wonders for several months. There are a couple good things in it. First race relations. Basicly the 12 races are 1 pure good, 3 good, 4 neutral, 3 evil, 1 pure evil. Thus there are 5 divisions. Your relations get worse the more divisions there are between the races. Same division is friendly, 1 apart is polite, 2 neutral, 3 wary, 4 hostile
Cities of hostile or wary races will revolt if sufficient forces aren't in the city. Cities can be migrated but it takes a few turns depending on how close you have a city of the race your migrating to. Armies with wary or hostile units can desert as well if sufficient loyal troops are not in the stack.
The second interesting development in the game is the adjacent hex rule. They use hexes not squares. When your stack attacks a stack, all units in hexes adjacent to the hex being attacked are drawn into the battle, which is tactical on a separate screen, or auto in the case of pbem. So even though there is a limit of 8 to a stack, you could have 7 hexes involved in a battle or 56 units.
Another feature I like is signs and text bubbles. You can add signs posts to the map giving directions, warnings, names of towns etc. Also there are invisible text bubbles so when a unit enters a hex with an associated text bubble a message will pop up. This is great for story driven scenarios.
The AoW group have lots of MoM 2 dreams as well. AoW is the best game to come out for TBS in a fantasy environment since MoM and has many similarities, but many would like to see a MoM 2. AoW has the heroes like MoM but better graphics and playability. The user created maps are way better than the ones that came with the game. Of course the lack of user maps was a big drawback to MoM.
I loved MoM but it was buggy and never really fixed. I am not sure how much can be done to the game but I wished it had the adjacent square rule like Civ II that restricted movement past enemy squares. Also I like the AoW feature where only heroes can cast spells, not some omnipresent wizard like MoM. Of course the biggest drawback to MoM was the terrible AI. If the AI can't be improved the only options are to enhance the computer cheats or add an editor so scenarios can be made to compensate.
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Frogman
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Oops, forgot to add that AoW has modifiers to race relations, so even a race in the same division can be hostile if you have razed cities or migrated from that race etc. The other game that had good race diplomacy was MOO.
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Frogman
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AoW is a great game. Better than MoM because of user created scenarios, mp, better graphics, better ai, better use of magic. Heroes can be limited in number, even none if you like. You can play with a leader hero where the game is over if s/he dies or play leaders off. This is turn based so you can pbem, but in single player or online mp you can have simultaneous turns so you don't have to wait for the computer or other players to move after you do.
There is a mod called Warlocks Rules that was the result of a months worth of discussion on modified unit values and costs, including caps on hero stats.
If you want more info check out the forum at
http://www.strategyplanet.com/aow/board/
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Frogman
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Yes Shadowstrike I agree, on the other hand they set it up so that the micromanagement is less critical than the generation and deployment of forces. I would say that most AoW players agree that the lack of building aspect is the biggest complaint about the game.
Getting back to a real mod on MoM though. I spent many hours on that game too. One fix that must be made and to me was the most annoying bug was the disenchant area spell. It not only dispelled global enchantments but unit enchantments as well. With one casting it could unlock spell lock and dispell all the unit enchantments for every unit on the field. It made casting unit enchantments almost worthless. The fact that it was never fixed was just another indication that Microprose gave up on the game.
Given the near cult status MoM seems to have I can't figure why no one made a mod to address the shortfalls. Seeing what was done for CTP which wasn't even an original game makes me think its high time someone gave MoM a facelift.
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Frogman
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Yes Shadowstrike I agree, on the other hand they set it up so that the micromanagement is less critical than the generation and deployment of forces. I would say that most AoW players agree that the lack of building aspect is the biggest complaint about the game.
Getting back to a real mod on MoM though. I spent many hours on that game too. One fix that must be made and to me was the most annoying bug was the disenchant area spell. It not only dispelled global enchantments but unit enchantments as well. With one casting it could unlock spell lock and dispell all the unit enchantments for every unit on the field. It made casting unit enchantments almost worthless. The fact that it was never fixed was just another indication that Microprose gave up on the game.
Given the near cult status MoM seems to have I can't figure why no one made a mod to address the shortfalls. Seeing what was done for CTP which wasn't even an original game makes me think its high time someone gave MoM a facelift.
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