10-12-2004 09:36									#1
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Forgive me if this has been mentioned before, but I didn't see them in the GL, and don't recall ever seeing them before in a game:

1)Partisans built in a city that is taken or disbanded become NON-units;

2)Building Solar Plant alters city supply/demand. Specifically, oil was demanded and immediately changed to spices.


Any knowledge on these items would be appreciated.

	10-12-2004 20:04									#2
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I don't know if Samson tested for solar plants, but I do know that the demand for oil is halved if you build mass transit or a recycling center. It would seem logical to include solar plants in this list and to assume that Samson overlooked them when conducting his tests.

	11-12-2004 02:01									#3
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Interesting that Spices emerged ahead of Oil. I did not thing Spice was an easy one to generate demand for.

	11-12-2004 05:51									#4
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Actually I have to amend that. Oil was supplied by the city, but replaced with spices when the solar plant was built.

	11-12-2004 06:10									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Theben 1)Partisans built in a city that is taken or disbanded become NON-units;

I thought any units previously built in a city that was later captured, disappeared (unless rehomed). If not, that's a new one to me. Ditto for a city that's disbanded.

Or do you mean Partisans generated by an opponent's capture of your city? Those definitely stick around and are NONs.

	11-12-2004 06:14									#6
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No, I mean I built them like any other unit, they were homed on a city, and then said city was either captured or disbanded. The partisans stayed around and became NON- units.

	11-12-2004 06:20									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Theben No, I mean I built them like any other unit, they were homed on a city, and then said city was either captured or disbanded. The partisans stayed around and became NON- units.

Cool. I'll have to try that; it could be a useful trick to rush a number of partisans in a poorly placed city, then disband it. Particularly in Republic or Democracy.

	11-12-2004 06:59									#8
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As an example:


And the next turn:


NOTE: Obviously it's a mod but I've had it for a while and it has always been stable- I've never seen any quirks from it outside the normal civ2 ones... also this is version 2.78.

	13-12-2004 23:33									#9
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Makes sense, though - partisans are supposed to be "produced" when a city is captured/destroyed, which would break their support anyway; why not make them yourself?

Interesting terrain graphics, BTW. What's that horse thing SW of the city?

	14-12-2004 07:18									#10
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The horse is a horse, of course.

The 'thing' is a railroad.

I never liked buffalo as a special so I changed them back to what they were in civ1, horses.

	15-12-2004 00:45									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Theben Forgive me if this has been mentioned before, but I didn't see them in the GL, and don't recall ever seeing them before in a game: 1)Partisans built in a city that is taken or disbanded become NON-units;

	15-12-2004 02:33									#12
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Hmmm, maybe someone should test that with the original files to make sure it wasn't an aberration.

EDIT: It would appear that this is the case even with the original files.

Last edited by Theben on 15-12-2004 at 06:38

	19-12-2004 01:31									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Theben Hmmm, maybe someone should test that with the original files to make sure it wasn't an aberration. EDIT: It would appear that this is the case even with the original files.

tested with 'Cedric's patch' to upgrade 2.42 to MGE, I can confirm that partisans become NON's when their homecity is captured.

	19-12-2004 01:50									#14
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I find it difficult to believe no one else was aware of this. If someone reads this and knew beforehand, please post here.

	19-12-2004 02:12									#15
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Well, I must say that I build very few partisans in general. Their stats are not too great given all the other options available at that stage in the game.
And when I reach that stage, it's merely mopping up the resistance, and very few cities get taken

It is great though that after so many years new things are discovered.

*Theben gets an entry in the civII history books

	20-12-2004 23:25									#16
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It's not in Nethog's Civ2 Reference, although the x8 for attacks against 0 units is. Try a search for "partisans" and "NON"?

	21-12-2004 04:53									#17
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I thought it was x4 vs. 0 attack units.

	21-12-2004 08:43									#18
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So, Theben, what you're saying is, you get NON-partisans? Like in an election for county dogcatcher? Cool!

	02-01-2005 02:44									#19
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The partisant thing is something new for me (perhaps because I never build them)

	03-01-2005 01:42									#20
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I suppose this trick could have been missed simply because Partisans don't become available until the game has progressed to the point where losing a city simply doesn't happen.

	04-01-2005 22:32									#21
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I agree with germanos, I don't build partisans very often. It's nice to discover this, thus. Theben, congrats and good work

	05-01-2005 00:08									#22
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Yaro sighting

Please contact me and/or SlowThinker with regard to a CivDip 3.0 'bug'

	05-01-2005 03:26									#23
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I believe the partisan bonus vs. 0 attack units is slot dependent. This can be both useful and/or surprising in some scenarios.

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quote: Originally posted by gunkulator I believe the partisan bonus vs. 0 attack units is slot dependent.

Yes, it is!

	08-01-2005 02:13									#25
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So build mega numbers of Parts.

Re-home to mini city.

Disband mini city and war with Democracy becomes EVEN easier!

Oh yeah -- we will test this a couple of time tonight for sure. Especially with parts being the preferred method for taking cities -- "No contact" & UN allows war continuance if desired...

	08-01-2005 09:19									#26
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Tell me how it goes.

I think this might be more useful to scenario designers- I wonder if it's tech-dependent.

	11-01-2005 10:21									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Old n Slow So build mega numbers of Parts. Re-home to mini city. Disband mini city and war with Democracy becomes EVEN easier! Oh yeah -- we will test this a couple of time tonight for sure. Especially with parts being the preferred method for taking cities -- "No contact" & UN allows war continuance if desired...

Cool of course i never leave fundamentalism once i reach it: