11-12-2004 04:41									#1
	Arrgghh Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

I know you guys are busy with work, moving, illness, etc, but I don't think I've seen people posting much outside the PBEM thread. :S

Is anyone able to do PTWDG2 stuff right now?

	11-12-2004 22:41									#2
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Well, as recent events in a certain other demogame have shown me, the only way to victory is military. I think we need to cut back on some of the buildering, and focus more on cranking out a dominating military. I know it might be hard for some of us to get away from our builder ways (), but it seems everything else is pointless, ultimately, in these kinds of games.

	12-12-2004 01:15									#3
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Yeah, you mean Legoland basically being annilhated last turn (9 cities including a lot of the core ones... ouch, well at least Sharpehaven hasn't been taken yet )

I apologize for my lack of involvement in the game - my abdominal problems have been really bad since June but I still have been around enough that I should have pitched in more than I have. Hopefully I will be able to help more.

I was saying to Zargon and Kloreep recently that I am uncomfortable with our alliance situation - I suspect someone is betraying us or working with LL - as LL is only 1 tech behind us (gunpowder), despite us working with CoD and Python on techs. I suspect that someone (likely CoD or Python) is selling techs to LL for whatever gold they can get - just to keep LL up in tech so they can continue to be a thorn in our side.

Admittedly I only recently looked at the map for the first time in a long while - I am also a little wary of Sunshine and MAST's explosive growth as they are now as large or larger than us in terms of numbers of cities (admittedly they are still much smaller than us due to us having cities for longer and the Pyramids).

I agree that we need to emphasize a lot if not most of our focus on military. We currently have 24 potential "Sword" units and 24 Mounted units. With LL soon to get muskets we will need to get Cavalry instead of riders for certain. I think we will need to overwhelm LL with military force a) to put them down easier and b) to send a signal to the other civs not to interfere with us. My view is at least 70 units plus some more backups at home in case we are counterattacked there up from our current 48 - admittedly we need more money to upgrade those current units.

But I think we also need to rotate libaries into our key cities - we could be easily isolated and fall behind in tech and that really hurt Lego - we don't have many if any libraries and that may hurt us - to avoid Lego's fate we need at least 1 ally (or more) and be able to hold our own in tech in case we are isolated.

We have to be careful - I think that the other civs may have decided that we are the #1 power and want to keep us down or take us out like Lego was - and that is what ultimately doomed it... the gang-up. We are #1 in population, GNP, Mfg Goods and have the largest military on the continent (and among the largest in the game), The Pyramids, enough luxuries to help us and now Leo's - most would regard us as being if not a major threat than THE major threat to win....

Last edited by Sharpe on 12-12-2004 at 02:27

	12-12-2004 03:32									#4
	Tired of ads?

We really need to decide soon about Cav vs Riders, then. If we're not going to go for Riders, we should use our GA for basic improvements and for Libraries, only building horses when a city doesn't have anything better to do. (We could also begin a new wonder in Egg Roll.)

	12-12-2004 04:14									#5
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

I strongly suspect that the LL FP is going up in Lolita - if so, I wouldn't be surprised if they finish it in the next 20-40 turns (remembering that LL is Rome and thus commercial )

	13-12-2004 08:41									#6
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Cavs? Riders?

We need go/no go this turn. This is the last turn to switch paths without some economic hurt.

Sharpe says Cavs. I don't feel strongly one way or the other; Cavs are good, but it gives LL time to build up and catch up in techs.

	13-12-2004 19:19									#7
	Got spare money?

quote: Originally posted by ZargonX Well, as recent events in a certain other demogame have shown me, the only way to victory is military.

Let's go burn some black cows.


Anyway, I already said earlier cavs over riders at this point. They'll have muskets a few turns in as it is, and while they get to build, we also do, and I'll put cavs to muskets over riders to muskets any day.

(this reminds me, I have enough now to go and finish up...something...and get it to Kloreep, that should free me up some time here...especially now most is in hand on that other game there...)