21-12-2004 13:03									#31
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Can anyone tell me where you can find out how much of the land area you currently control if you're trying for a domination victory? I'm playing the original CIVIII version 1.29f, and can't seem to find this information anywhere.

	21-12-2004 17:54									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Twelve Motion How do I make my culture better? The advisor always says other country are not impressed with my culter.

Culture points from 1000 years old culture buildings are doubled.
If you want to increase your culture try to build culture buildings (temples, libraries) early.
If you play a religious (scientific) civ, rush build temples (libraries) during your despotic regime.
Early in the game, rush-building to win even only 3-4 turns may means you win 100-200 years.
After 500AD (even 1AD), you may rush build culture buildings, but for other reasons than the doubling effect as it will pay off too late.

If you are neither religious nor scientific, or if you are playing at higher levels forget about early culture buildings.

This was to answer your question.

But maybe the right question is: what is the use of culture? Is it desirable to have a - early - high culture? Is it worth the effort?

	22-12-2004 09:28									#33
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quote: Originally posted by BruceTheStupid Can anyone tell me where you can find out how much of the land area you currently control if you're trying for a domination victory? I'm playing the original CIVIII version 1.29f, and can't seem to find this information anywhere.

67%, and the same for population too.

	22-12-2004 09:58									#34
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quote: Originally posted by joncnunn (Musket Men are very unpopular due to how much more they cost compared to Pike Men)

and especially the loss of the x2 defense versus mounted units. The musketman is a worse defender against those horsies.

	22-12-2004 12:45									#35
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I don't think the game offers a means of telling the amount you currently have, you need C3C to have that data.

Look on CFC in the utilites. I seem to recall one that help calculate it.

	22-12-2004 21:16									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Shogun Gunner and especially the loss of the x2 defense versus mounted units. The musketman is a worse defender against those horsies.

Am I on drugs, or are you referring to Civ2?

	23-12-2004 02:00									#37
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Can't it be both?

	23-12-2004 04:11									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Theseus Am I on drugs, or are you referring to Civ2?

not drugs, lack of sleep. Yes, obviously Civ2 - so I was mixing civ2 and civ3 there. Thanks for the correction.

	23-12-2004 04:22									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Shogun Gunner not drugs, lack of sleep. Yes, obviously Civ2 - so I was mixing civ2 and civ3 there. Thanks for the correction.

Ahhh...lack of sleep...the ultimate high...

Speaking of confusing Civ 3 with Civ 2, I remember my very first game of Civ 3. It was during the middle ages, and I built longbowmen instead of knights because I thought they'd be better against pikemen! I did figure it out by the next game though.

	23-12-2004 05:26									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Shogun Gunner not drugs, lack of sleep. Yes, obviously Civ2 - so I was mixing civ2 and civ3 there. Thanks for the correction.

and I thought it was me that was ****ed up. I don't think units get the X2 vs. horse in this game. Which I kind of miss, but oh well.

	23-12-2004 05:27									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Xorbon Ahhh...lack of sleep...the ultimate high... Speaking of confusing Civ 3 with Civ 2, I remember my very first game of Civ 3. It was during the middle ages, and I built longbowmen instead of knights because I thought they'd be better against pikemen! I did figure it out by the next game though.

the computer seems to do well with longbowmen. I never build them myself.

	23-12-2004 05:47									#42
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I think LBs are the best unit of the MA, but not factoring upgrade paths, etc., just bang for buck.

	23-12-2004 21:44									#43
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I have seen them kill some good units and they are dirt cheap by comparison, but the lack of movement hurts.

	23-12-2004 22:41									#44
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are LB worth it when you talk of the long run as in ability to upgrade?

Thanks

Gramps

	23-12-2004 23:13									#45
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Yes, upgrade paths were fixed, so that Sword- and Archer-class units upgrade to Guerrillas and then TOW Infantry.

	23-12-2004 23:29									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Theseus Yes, upgrade paths were fixed, so that Sword- and Archer-class units upgrade to Guerrillas and then TOW Infantry.

Thanks.gotta learn all in the ups and downs of the game

Apreciate the quick comeback

Gramps

	23-12-2004 23:59									#47
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That upgrade path, however, is still pretty crappy, IMHO.

Longbows/Med Inf (with pike/musket cover and bombard support!) are good for situations involving:

1) Lack of a key resource (horses, iron, saltpeter)
2) Production and/or Commerce scarcity (you can't afford to build/upgrade a slew of knights, so you go with the cheaper alternative).
3) Lots of rough terrain, where the mobility advantage of fastmovers is reduced.
4) When quantity is nearly as important as quality (you're facing a FLOOD of enemy units).

They're cost-effective for their time. The units they upgrade to... meh. Guerillas suck, IMO. TOW is ok, but it comes with Rocketry. So between Rep. Parts and Rocketry, you have Guerillas. Ugh.

-Arrian

	24-12-2004 00:38									#48
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I am not fond of upgrading them either. It comes down to game tactics fo rme. I will try to avoid making many archers, if I do not intend a rush. This means no LB at all. I will not upgrade the archers in most cases.

It is like Arrain said for me, you will have games where you need some troops and LB's are the best you have at the time.

This could be due to lack of tech or lack of a resource, either way those LB can kill some of those contemporary attacking units like MI. You just do not want to have to attack Knights with the chance to retreat.

I really dislike guerillas. ToW's are fine as upgrades and can be a real bugger to have to kill without modern armor.

	24-12-2004 00:41									#49
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I should have mentioned that what I often use left over archers/LB for is to take that counter attack hit. They will just be sacrificed to make the better units more likely to survive.

Of course if they do not have bombardment units in the stack, it may be better to not use them as you could end up giving promotions. You just have to have a feel for the situation.

	24-12-2004 01:00									#50
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Don't forget, I play almost exclusively with the AU Mod, so Guerrillas are actually pretty decent.

	24-12-2004 01:33									#51
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I have used them occassionally in my limited playing experience

	24-12-2004 02:16									#52
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Yes, me too (on the AU mod). I was more just pointing out, originally, that people seem rather obsessed with Knights in the MA, which I never use much unless it's a good UU. Yes, I build them, of course, but for combined arms purposes rather than as a dominant attack force. I need them for pillaging and for attack and retreat maneoveurs. Then again, I don't build enough military, generally, to just steamroll. I do build a fair number of Knights just for cheap Cavalry upgrades as well.

	24-12-2004 02:27									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Theseus Don't forget, I play almost exclusively with the AU Mod, so Guerrillas are actually pretty decent.

They may be for the AU, but I would prefer to not even have the LB's to upgrade. I just do not have much interest in 1 move attackers after the Ancient age.

	24-12-2004 02:33									#54
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I generally leave my upgraded slowmovers at home when expanding abroad... they are fine for purposes of MPs, and point defense.

	24-12-2004 02:52									#55
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I agree with Punkbass here.

If I have a small military, I need combined arms. They are slow, but unltimately more effective, due to few losses. The force doesn't need to be very big. It moves like a snail, but needs very few resources to sustain. You lose relatively cheap defenders, and sometimes your stacks don't get attacked at all. You lose relatively few attackers, because you have bombard units to boot. With this approach, it is possible to partially go back to building, while at war. Of course, it takes more planning, than just building 50 Horsemen for a mass upgrade.

	24-12-2004 07:10									#56
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thanks modo..I concur and will make a note to do more than simply produce units to upgrade..