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Go to war with Riders?
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Yes 2 100.00%
No, we should wait for Cav 0 0%
I don't know 0 0%
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Kloreep is offline Kloreep

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Jun 2002
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  Old Post 13-12-2004 09:41
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Should we go to war soon with Riders, or wait to get Cav?

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  Old Post 13-12-2004 11:05
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Waaaaaaaagh!

UnOrthOdOx is offline UnOrthOdOx
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  Old Post 13-12-2004 19:32
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The question is: Can we do enough damage before they get muskets?


I say wait. Also based on experience in that other game there where I was advocating the opposite of waiting...

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  Old Post 13-12-2004 19:46
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See, the thing about waiting is, firstly, that gives them time to build up more forces and to build up diplomatic efforts. Furthermore, we have to worry about the other continent. The longer we wait, the more likely it is that they will interfere in some fashion. We already suspect they are giving LL tech, and it can only go up from there.

This needs to be done now, even in the face of some muskets

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  Old Post 14-12-2004 02:59
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The other continent is what worries me the most. They'll be getting Caravels and coming over here once they're done with Monkey; they're not going to just sit around waiting for iron. We may need to be ready for WW1 - War of the Continents - at that point. If it weren't for that time limit, I might feel safer waiting.

UnOrthOdOx is offline UnOrthOdOx
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  Old Post 14-12-2004 03:10
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Honestly, Knights are worse than Muskets to go against. I'm in.

Bonk some heads.


I got the map of our continent at home. I can post it. I'll test the galley hopping thing tonight. I still say at least 10 riders should make a naval landing in their core.

Sharpe is offline Sharpe
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I am also very worried about the other continent - absolutely - especially as it appears that they are aiding LL with tech and are undoubtedly coming to our continent for iron, especially after they get Cavalry.

Depending on the situation, they will prefer Caravels for the additional transport, but I wouldn't be surprised if they came with galleys instead - especially if we gained a swift victory over LL - they might feel the need to go against us earlier to prevent us from getting too strong - and to get some dyes and their necessary iron.

Here is my suggestion - we start a partial mobilization by concentrating at least 50-75% of our main cities on building mostly Riders and some other military units for at least 5-8 turns and we start gathering our forces at designated attack start-off points (admittedly we only have a general idea, but we are going to need that long to gather together the rest of our attack force).

Have our more corrupt cities work on courthouses and try to rotate 1-2 of our cities at a time working on marketplaces and libraries so that we have them in place if we are isolated.

During the latter part of that 5-8 turn period, we check whether LL has gunpowder yet - if they do, we will need Cavalry.

If not, we might want to consider spending some money to establish an embassy and investigate some of the key strategic cities (admittedly it doesn't work if they have the units outside the cities though).

In the meanwhile, we also work on getting towards Military Tradition - we know that the other continent will absolutely be striving for it as their first priority and will be working together on it, so we should get involved (and perhaps understate our research/gpt situation or volunteer to research Chemistry and then set our slider where WE want it so as to maximize research plus gpt) so that we at least match the other continent in getting it at the same time.

If LL somehow manages to keep up in tech, their conspiracy will be more and more obvious as we approach Mil Tradition. Regardless, we can then start the attack just before we get Mil Tradition by cutting off LL's horse - no horse no Cavalry upgrades right? It would be better if we can manage to be the one that actually researches Mil Tradition, but unless we do that on our own it isn't likely...

My major concerns with LL are: will they try to catch up with us in military strength (admittedly they are probably hiding some of their strength via warriors & horsemen to be upgraded like we are) and whether they will complete their FP (likely in Lolita) before we attack and what wonder are they actually working on in their capital and will it be complete before we attack?

Sorry for the lengthy long-winded response, you can all now wake up from when you fell asleep during the 2nd paragraph...

EDIT when I saw UnO's response: Actually I favor getting as many Riders as we can to their core landmass - preferably 15 Riders or more!

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10 riders should make a naval landing in their core.


My plan was for 9 riders, 3 muskets. But that, of course, can be changed

UnOrthOdOx is offline UnOrthOdOx
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More the merrier. 10 is minimum. I'm not a fan of defenders at this stage of the game personally, though.

On the galleys, fyi fast movers lose all points in changing boats. I still am thinking risking sinking loaded galleys might just be worth it when they are able to land 1!!!! turn from the capitol...

However, it's one of those moves you get lucky, and it's genius, unlucky and you're screwed type things.

You can expect allot of similar suggestions from me...

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  Old Post 16-12-2004 06:28
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Didn't vote in time, but I say war.

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Hope you don't mind if I start storing propoganda for all to use here...

Spoofing this story would be fun. Great quotes in there...
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...erestaurants_dc

quote:
"The fact that they would have the wherewithal to invent a product that could choke a mule is something to be prideful of," said Tim Shea, 43, a magazine publisher from Chicago.

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Zargon takes a bite...

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I think my heart clogged up just looking at that

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You know...

When we declare war, I say we challenge the forum to an eating contest...

I may just go buy one of these in celebration...

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Quotes that might be funny for when we fight the war:

"Our military is very well trained due to all the food fights they had"

"Recognizing that the Latin forces were likely to go after our Tabemono women, we trained a lot of women as our elite guard units"

"We are having a food shortage due to Kloreep throwing our granaries at people in the IRC chat rooms"

"Using French bread as ammunition, our catapults inflicted numerous casualities on the Latin defenders"

"Our horses are big and strong due to all the food we give them - making them faster than most civilizations"

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Where is duddha when you want him. He likes eating babies. Would probably scare the crap out of LL.

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