14-12-2004 04:58									#1
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Simple question, complicated reasons.

Do we want to abandon Rusicade and thereby gain a turn or two of Spices (during Anarchy, probably saving a few population from starving and/or burnt buildings) by settling the citizen on the spices (next to Rusicade)?

The legion inside Rusicade reports a 6 turn build, but there's a second that would be there in 1 turn, probably leading to a 3 turn net build, possibly 2. It would finish the last turn of Anarchy probably.

We would be losing a city in a poor location filled with foreign citizens, and gaining one in slightly better location, that would allow us to keep Spices safe from Carthage (by building on it - this way they can't pillage it). We have a citizen on-site.

However, we'd be losing a city...

	14-12-2004 11:48									#2
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Build a city on the spice, It's a much better location.

	14-12-2004 21:34									#3
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If we were in first place in land area by now I wouldn't have a problem, but we are way behind where we should be in land area at this point in this game.

	14-12-2004 22:00									#4
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Those are Roman citizens you are talking about. We didn't even seriously consider abandoning the city taken from the barbaric Celts, and now THIS?! How will others react to such an atrocity?! What will our citizens say?!

This is a sad day, Senators.

	14-12-2004 22:31									#5
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Option 1 raze Ruiscade and settle on the spices

	14-12-2004 23:50									#6
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I say Raze Ruiscade.

Yes these are now Roman's.
Yes we are probably behind in land mass.

But think of it as moving a city, not so much razing. This is different than the situation that we had with northern Roman/Celtic cities. Those were obtained in a peaceful trade. Riuscade is the spoils of war. We give the new Romans a moving stipend and everyone is happy. They are lucky their homes weren't razed when it was captured!

Viroconium is an aweful name. Try Snoopium or SpicyMeatballium.

	15-12-2004 02:27									#7
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keep Ruiscade. - there are walls and temple. And very soon it will be not a border city with more legions coming from Italy...

	15-12-2004 08:49									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Modo44 Those are Roman citizens you are talking about. We didn't even seriously consider abandoning the city taken from the barbaric Celts, and now THIS?! How will others react to such an atrocity?! What will our citizens say?! This is a sad day, Senators.

We are called to Serve our people, not destroy our people

Stand fast Senators and protect that which is ours

We need to be emotional in standing for principle

	15-12-2004 09:32									#9
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quote: Originally posted by ormuzd keep Ruiscade. - there are walls and temple. And very soon it will be not a border city with more legions coming from Italy...

Ahem, i'm pretty sure these things come with any city we build or take. Certainly we don't keep temples from cities we capture


And, these are NOT roman citizens. They are captured tribesmen who allied themselves with Carthage. At this stage in Empire we do not call these villagers Romans, but "friends", until the next time a Carthaginian army bigger than ours walks by, at which point they are called "enemies". Not "Citizens" - not for centuries certainly. A few of you Senators need to read up on your Roman History And Codified Laws ...

	15-12-2004 10:09									#10
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oh I would have thought we were actually making History, not replaying someone elses entirely

so surely we get the opportunity to share how we see the present, and thus mold the future of Romew into our image

	15-12-2004 13:17									#11
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quote: Originally posted by snoopy369 Ahem, i'm pretty sure these things come with any city we build or take. Certainly we don't keep temples from cities we capture

ooo, silly me, of course...

	15-12-2004 16:19									#12
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I vote for keeping Rusicade. Why destroy those nice walls and temple. Anyway, with a determined offensive we can soon have all Spain under our control.

	15-12-2004 16:27									#13
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and the way of the Senate... the vote stands 8 - 8

Good to see the Senate knows what it truely wants

	15-12-2004 23:14									#14
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I have to apologize for my mistake - we have built the Hadrian Wall and The temple of Artemis. These great wonders put a temple and walls in every city on the continent, i. e. we will have these city improvements in every new founded city.

However, I still think we should keep Rusicade and build new city with the citizen

	16-12-2004 11:35									#15
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I then offer the wisdom of a former Emperor......perhaps the Senate may come to a decision via this compromise:

Instead of "wasting" an existing citizen, let Rusicade build a citizen of its own (through natural growth to 3 pop), then abandon Rusicade and use the new citizen to found New Rusicade on the spices.

Sure, a few turns will be lost.....but we have an instant Temple and Walls, plus the ability to grow beyond size 6 without an Aqueduct.

A reasonable compromise, Emperor Snoopius?

	16-12-2004 21:27									#16
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Where the ehck is Rusicade anyway?

Screen shot? Is it somewhere?

I have been traveling to different worlds and Im out of touch, help me out here

	16-12-2004 21:30									#17
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indeed old chap indeed

it is a township that we were seeded in the peace with the Celts

it is in the far north east of the known world

	16-12-2004 21:49									#18
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Actually, what Paddy referred to, that's not Rusicidae - that's Noviodunum. A picture might help indeed...

The Spices are directly (one tile) south of Rusicidae.

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	16-12-2004 21:54									#19
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ahh opps

great pic Modo

thanks for clarifying that

	16-12-2004 22:18									#20
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Just a reminder, the senate is an advisory board for the emperor. When it comes close with polls (like this one), the emperor has the choice all to him/herself

	16-12-2004 22:34									#21
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Yes, he does. Clever poll there, Emperor.

	17-12-2004 04:53									#22
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Aqua- not a bad suggestion, and I'll try to figure out if it is better or not, given how close this poll is. The problem is it's time sensitive (and should have been dealt with pre-anarchy, probably) - we're going to lose several citizens during anarchy, since there's no way to give them any luxury beyond those we trade for or own... I'll look at it and figure out the timing, and if abandoning can save any citizens; if not, I won't bother, or will likely follow Aqua's suggestion.

	17-12-2004 11:01									#23
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Ah yes

OK I remember those far flung towns.

Do what you think is best snoopdog

	17-12-2004 12:17									#24
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ahh but then the Senate have voted with their opinions...

even with such a close vote, so the Senate will expect the Mighty Emperor to be very wise in his actions on this topic