30-12-2004 17:43									#31
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Yang is acting weird and is not attacking as thoroughly as he could. Thanks to that, our mind worms can hold out longer than they would against a competant opponent.

We can put our sea former too far back for artillery to hit without advancing into mind worm range.

The Unity Foil is there for scouting, not for ZoC.

We had some 50 ECs last turn. We should gain another ~20 by next turn. Therefore, probing units is too expensive at the choke point, but if we need to retreat, the cost will drop and our energy reserves will rise, and they will meet at some point. A proximal friendly base should also help drop the cost to probe a unit.

	30-12-2004 17:43									#32
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Well, however it appears that we do not posess so much energy..

Hopefully we will be able to trade a few ECs for EcoEng as it is a valuable tech and the people would likely be paying tech + ECs for it (as rarely who wants to disclose a tech as good as this one ).

So we can make this an auxiliary plan and execute in case we spot Hiverian attack foil in close proximity or get a good chance to capture Hive unit..

	30-12-2004 17:44									#33
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quote: Originally posted by binTravkin !eureka! I just wonder how CT didn't think about this.. Let's hope we will ahve the opportunity to repeat your plan!

Very funny What I'm saying is that you need money to fight a war. I don't see any mines or boreholes in place or any prospects for one in 7 years so we could delay our research without penalty.

	30-12-2004 18:14									#34
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quote: in place or any prospects for one in 7 years so

Well, and how many years you expect the money stockpile would last?

with 1 borehole in place our income would rise by 2-3 Ecs/year and with 2-3 our research will be 1year faster.
Not talking about the mineral gain which is even more significant to our low-production bases..
Our borehole build speed is 1 per 16 turns per 1 former, so we can easily build one in 2 turns..

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quote: Therefore, probing units is too expensive at the choke point, but if we need to retreat, the cost will drop and our energy reserves will rise, and they will meet at some point. A proximal friendly base should also help drop the cost to probe a unit.

And we WILL eventually retreat, the question is just when. And when we retreat, we can stranghten our Plan B by capturing 1 artillery (in fact that would be quite a gain for Plan B as it is designed to be a guerilla plan!)

	31-12-2004 09:05									#35
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I'm suggesting that we delay borehole/mine production by only 2 years in exchange for an additional bunch of EC's which we could use to subvert a Yank Impact (hopefully artillery ) unit within the next few years. That's one way of getting tech we need to fight this war.
The other way is by probing Society Grid. I really don't see what use the Unity Foil is serving on hold. Also, the probe team without EC's is doing nothing there too. Let's use both of those units to try for a tech. A tech we need to fight this war.
If you think this is just criticism and not a plan than think again. We should be doing these things in addition to plan A and plan B.

	01-01-2005 06:05									#36
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I see that the Data Angels have sent pre-accepted 2155 Ethical Calc. Presumably due to mod 3 restriction, EnvEco will not be available to us when we complete EcoEng, per MM's spreadsheet. So, we will need to either trade for or probe for another tech if we want to research EnvEco next.

	01-01-2005 10:06									#37
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I don't know what our research options are, but we might be able to negotiate a further trade to bypass any mod 3 problems.

	01-01-2005 18:55									#38
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I've been playing with paint a little. Here's a very rough map of some Hive territory. LH=Leader's Hordes, HQ=Hive, SG=Society Grid.

http://apolyton.net/upload/view.php...elayout2154.bmp

BTW, there is no overlap between any existing Hive bases.

Last edited by Net Warrior on 01-01-2005 at 19:01

	01-01-2005 23:54									#39
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I posted a complete map of Hive territory (as well as part of the rest of the world) a while back: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=123959

	02-01-2005 00:19									#40
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Excellent effort, very impressive, I'll have to try that myself one of these days.

Last edited by Net Warrior on 04-01-2005 at 05:10

	04-01-2005 01:26									#41
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Umm, turn is in for 12 hours already and nobody psoted anything about it! ? Also, there are 2 reload warnings for Spartans. Method, did they have any problems during turnplay like crashing computer?

	04-01-2005 01:49									#42
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Actually this doesn't matter. Due to circumstances I bet turnplaying will pause for a bit due to reasons stated in PM to Method.

	04-01-2005 02:12									#43
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Why is turnplaying supposed to pause?

	04-01-2005 14:29									#44
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Umm, notice that Jamski is out of Spartan team. He was made admin of Eventis and as such he was in position to read our diplo forum with Angels.

	04-01-2005 21:13									#45
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Anyway, when will turn be played?

	04-01-2005 21:46									#46
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Don't ask this to me, CT is not online right now..
But when he is, he will surely do the turn

	04-01-2005 21:59									#47
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What if he doesn't get online in time? He tends to do it hours before limit? We should reinsiture deputy turnplayer.

	04-01-2005 22:40									#48
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Hmm, yes, but I don't feel completely confident and may not have time/be online when needed..

And after SmackSims vanishing act we don't have any active turnplayer candidate..

Darnsan could do that if he was more active.

	05-01-2005 02:28									#49
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I'm around and will play the turn soon. Keep in mind, however, that we have a 72-hour limit on this turn.

	05-01-2005 03:24									#50
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Potential end-turn save posted, but the turn has not been completed and forwarded yet because we have another 29 hours in which those interested can look at the turn and potentially influence it.

	21-01-2005 23:27									#51
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Turn's in! Any suggestions that can be implemented this turn?

	22-01-2005 02:11									#52
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I'm new and wont be able to examine the map until late tonight - and I need to catch up on all that's transpired (to learn how the pros do it!). How long do we have to decide what to do?

	22-01-2005 04:41									#53
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I plan to play the turn within the next 6 hours, because after that I'm leaving town. If we have any big arguments, though, playing the turn can be delayed.

	22-01-2005 06:37									#54
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I've got Mac OS X and all the sav files I downloaded to catch up are unreadible. Anyone know how I can read these?

	22-01-2005 11:01									#55
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Do you have Alien Crossfire, the expansion to Alpha Centauri?

	22-01-2005 11:16									#56
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I played the turn, but since we have so long left on our deadline, I'm leaving it here for the possibility of changes. For what it's worth, nothing I did involved randomness and no units gave useful information with their movements, so it would be fair to discard the turn and start over, if I really screwed up.

While playing the turn, I noticed Yang has no military in existance or production. He has a single lost gatling foil to his name. Thus, for the time being, it is safe to continue with our plan to sink the land bridge. Next tech in 3 turns. I made some small rush buys, but generally conserved energy. The formers are on their way to finish up our borehole, as we have enough forest in the southeast, and the road on the west is finished.

Attachment: acdg3-gaia-2157a.zip
This has been downloaded 6 time(s).

	22-01-2005 12:26									#57
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Yes - I have Alien Crossfire - for MacOS. I'm really disappointed I can't view any of these SAV files to pitch in advice. It seems I can load .SC files fine - I loaded the world map for instance.

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	24-01-2005 22:42									#58
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Go to multiplayer. Try loading from there. I'll take a look at the turn in a few hours...

	25-01-2005 00:37									#59
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I'm posting my difficulties on another thread so as not to disturb this thread. See http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=128439
I cant load it from multiplayer. In fact I have many problems with multiplayer.

	25-01-2005 08:07									#60
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We look good from here. I'm kind of nervous about all those rovers but... Was it posted Sparta and Hive are warring? I didn't think it was, but I may have missed it...