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With a view of the Rockies
Aug 2000
time: 22:17
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Originally posted by Kidicious
We are. You should be compensated for the social value of your labor. Should you not? |
So if someone does labor at the behest of their employer that has NO social value, does that mean they get no compensation? That would be the necessary follow-up. Simple question . . . Kidicious what's your answer?
Also doctors and nurses and teachers should get paid far far more than TV repairmen if we are talking social utility. Healing the sick and teaching would seem to me to be far more socially valuable than any commercial product. Again who decides?
If you want to switch it to economic value of the product, then I hope you are willing to pay oil workers and diamond miners millions of dollars per year since thats what their labor produces ( conveniently forgetting the billions of dollars that owners may have spent to get it ready for production). But what do you compensate the janitor at the diamond mine?? You can't share the diamonds or oil now, can you ?? and what about the janitor back at the hospital where (in canada) no commercial service occurs??
No I think in the end the communist state would pay these people a "fair wage" and the individual would have less say in what that wage is than they do now. With no other employers, no right to strike, no possibility to move etc, how would your state employer differ from the very worst of the monopolistic capitalists . . . Oh thats right the decision makers are all philosopher kings that only have the general good-- which somehow they can ascertain-- as their goal.
Sorry-- minimum wage laws prevent the worst exploitation and the social safety net means that no one should starve. Add in free spreech and mobility and the FACT that there are many many many employers out there and I just don't buy the argument that employment is coercive.
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16-12-2004 03:25
A social benefit is just that. A benefit to society. It might be an individual benefit, or a benefit to society at large, but somewhere there is a social cost. In this case we are talking about your work. If the individual cost of the thing that you traded is smaller than the social benefit then maybe you have given a gift, but however, if you have to make the trade it's no gift now is it. So yes, that's why we are talking about social benefit of our individual work.
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