01-11-2000 04:01									#1
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Thanks to this forum I've discovered abandoned games and what a free source for older games. Have you played any you can recommend to someone obviously raised on Civ?

Edit: Listing of recommendations to date:

Colonization (2+)
MOO 1 and 2
AH's Advanced Civilization
Transport Tycoon Delux,
Noble Armada demo
master of magic,
capitalism plus,
merchant prince
Master of Magic (2)
SkyRoads
buck rogers
Universe
Superheroes of Hoboken
Star Control 2
Seven Cities of Gold
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	01-11-2000 06:27									#2
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If you havent played Colonization, MOO 1 and 2, Civ 1, get your hands on those. OTherwise, I really enjoy Castles, and all the sequels.

	01-11-2000 07:16									#3
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Thanks, Pythagoras. I've played Civ1, have come across Colonization (another Sid Meier game I believe) but not the MOOs or Castles.

	01-11-2000 08:13									#5
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Strong recommendations, indeed Narck. Will definitely download Colonization now.

	01-11-2000 09:49									#6
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where can you get these game?

	01-11-2000 14:45									#7
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Here: http://www.abandongames.com/Games/a.shtml

and links from there as well, all free for downloading.

	02-11-2000 02:04									#8
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How do you get Moo1 running under W98? I tried but it uses funky memory and I didn't want to use a boot disk like I used to have to (I din't even know if a boot disk would work anyway).

	02-11-2000 06:06									#9
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GV, are you running a lot of other apps at the same time? I used to have problems running Moo1 under Win95 but since I've begun using Win98 I've been able to run it normally, even using sound, without having to reboot in dos.

Narck, I thought you disliked colonization?

quote: quote: Why don't we have a Colonization forum? Narck Ugh!

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	02-11-2000 09:30									#10
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I would say AH's Advanced Civilization is very good. DOS based.

	03-11-2000 00:13									#11
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No, as far as I remember I wasn't running any other apps. It just said I didn't have any expanded/extended/whatever kind of memory. When I checked the dos file running properties I couldn't find that kind of memory there to allocate more of.

	03-11-2000 09:34									#12
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Ravagon,

No, I don't, I think it's a good game. I believe that quote referred to not wanting to have a forum for it on the boards (because it is, after all, an old game)

	03-11-2000 23:31									#13
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The abandonware games which have a permanent place on my HD right now include Transport Tycoon Delux, master of magic, capitalism plus, and merchant prince. they are all excellent games which I highly recommend. Something else you might want to look into if you need something to play is the Noble Armada demo, which is basically the beta of the full game.

	04-11-2000 04:17									#14
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Thanks for the suggestions so far.

BTW Narck's thread in OT on the threat to Abandonware
http://apolyton.net/forums/Forum23/HTML/017266.html?7

may be of interest if you haven't already come across it.
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	05-11-2000 05:38									#15
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Well, I found Master of Magic to be a very fun strategy game, even if the graphics are a bit primitive...

	05-11-2000 18:45									#16
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Master of Magic is a great game, possibly the best 4x (ie. Civ-style) game ever made. If you want simpler challenges, may I recommend SkyRoads for mindless fun?

	06-11-2000 09:24									#17
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Anyone know where i can get my hands on "Fallout"?

	07-11-2000 10:44									#19
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i've always been a fan of the buck rogers roleplaying games that they've got there.

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	07-11-2000 10:27									#20
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Some other highly recommended titles:

Universe: an extremely well thought out RPG.

Superheroes of Hoboken: very very funny RPG based on some off-the-wall superheroes.

Star Control 2: another exremely well thought out RPG.

Spaceward Ho!: simplistic space exploration game based on a Western sytle. Change of pace when you have played too much SMAC.

	08-11-2000 10:42									#21
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I really like "Seven Cities of Gold."

You play a Spanish adventurer in the new world, and have to explore, interact with the natives, gain wealth, and eventually set up colonies. While technically a strategy game, the item managemant and interaction with the natives make it feel like an RPG as well. The gameplay was really fun, even though the setup was simple. There was no fighting, just exploration, diplomacy, item management, and of course the goal of setting up those colonies and getting them enough supplies.

I have no idea how old it is; it was a Dan Bunten game that originally came out for the Commodore 64. I got the PC version an a "Classics" pack that was in a bargain bin about five years ago. I heve never seen it or even heard of it since then. I think this is the best game that no one knows about.

	04-12-2000 09:44									#22
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tonic,

You missed Spaceward Ho!

I have played Colonization, but not enough to make any comments. Pretty cool as far as I can tell.

Also MoO, MoO 2, and Railroad Tycoon.

But the best abandonware game (well not quite as of now, as Hasbro put out a compilation with it ) is UFO: Enemies Unknown (XCOM: UFO Defense for Usians ).

Maybe not better than Civ, but definitely in the same class.

	04-12-2000 11:43									#23
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classic-trash seems to be a good website for abandonware as well.

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	05-12-2000 09:09									#24
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I love X-Com: UFO Defense. Best $3 I ever spent.

I have a habit of picking up games a couple years after they get released. You get them dirt cheap, and after a game has been out for a while you will know if it is worthwhile.

	05-12-2000 13:17									#25
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DopeWars for Windows provides hours of simple drug-dealing fun.

	05-12-2000 13:25									#26
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Colonization would be no. 1
If you're into really old games, what about Defender of the Crown or California Games or Romance of the three kingdoms 3


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