15-12-2004 08:45									#1
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This is the issue Elucidus is holding up the game on and I assume CDG accused us of this:

quote: 3.7 Accepting a Peace Treaty from a Civ then immediately declaring war Description: A team at war with another can accept the latter's Peace Treaty, then declare war afterward in order to eliminate War Weariness from that team. This results in a huge advantage if the peace-seeking team is not aware of the trick. Definition: This can result in a team’s properly acquired War Weariness being shut off and the possibility for the other team to suffer from it should they redeclare war. Purpose: To prevent unfairly using the games mechanics to negate or reverse the effects of War Weariness, Verdict: Do not accept peace if your intention is to behave in a war-like manner, unless a determination by the game staff to fall within the rules of this ruleset dictates so. Any method to break war weariness in any such manner is a direct violation of this rule. Punishment Level: Once – Orange (2-10 Turns), Repeat Offense - Red (5-Expulsion)

He is now asking me if we specifically accepted peace to avoid war waeriness and to be honest I cant remember. If so I believe we are in clear violation of this rule.

Thoughts?

Togas and MWIA, I made one of my rare appearences in chat but couldn't get you guys. What do you think?

	15-12-2004 08:51									#2
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I don't think it's an issue. Our motives were clear - we made peace on the assumption that CDG's runaway galleys could not be found. When we did find the galleys, we broke the peace in order to carry out CDG's final destruction, and not for a happiness bonus. Recent saves can be used to prove that we've not had any war weariness problems, and thus lack any motive to make such a manuver.

	15-12-2004 08:56									#3
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OCTY can you jump into chat for a minute?

	15-12-2004 08:59									#4
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Besides, since we were the ones redeclaring war, we get no bonus anyway.

This isn't an issue. It's not what we intended to do, and we get no unintentional bonus. At worst, CDG, the PASSIVE team in this, gets a small bonus.

	15-12-2004 09:38									#5
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Om with the help of MWIA and OCTY, I got this one solved, chat is posted in FA

	15-12-2004 09:47									#6
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Whew....

I have been Screwing up so much lately, that I was sure that it must have been me somehow. This one is easy, and I am glad to see that you got it resolves quickly.

Might I make a suggestion - that due to the absence of the game administrator, we suggest that each team contact eachother with any issues such as this that come up first instead of looking for an admin. If it isn't resolved peacefully, then we can look for an admin.

Also, did we send out a batle log? THAT might be a problem......

	15-12-2004 09:57									#7
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I just read the chat log. I still have the pics uploaded, let me know and I can get them to you.

Here is a sample for the new ammendment, if we want:

Civs may trade screen shots of map areas for purposes of determing national borders provided a) the areas have been completely explored by both civs and b) they go through the game administrator (or other, neutral, non-biased party) to assure that no illicate information is exchanged in the process.

Your call, but in a way this announces that PAL and APO are trying to work out a border.

	15-12-2004 10:12									#8
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Send them to me at conmcb25 TA bluemarble TOD net

I can just forward the proposal to Eluc directly. Then no one else needs to know where it comes from

Someone has to follow behind you GK and clean up your messes

I love ya buddy

	15-12-2004 22:20									#9
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Na. It served my purposes. It got them talking anyways instead of dictating.

	15-12-2004 23:16									#10
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Actually you have them pissed off and one step away from dictating what the border will be.

They can easily back up dictating. Can we?

	15-12-2004 23:23									#11
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quote: Civs may trade screen shots of map areas for purposes of determing national borders provided a) the areas have been completely explored by both civs and b) they go through the game administrator (or other, neutral, non-biased party) to assure that no illicate information is exchanged in the process.

This is perfect. Let's submit it.

And it's good to hear the silly war/peace thing has been resolved.

--Togas

	16-12-2004 16:12									#12
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Yay! It's gone far too long with this perfectly innocent idea being regarded as suspicious for some reason. About. Time.

	16-12-2004 19:27									#13
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Elucidus seems like a pretty direct but a pretty fair sort.

I dont think his RL issues allow him as much time as we would like managing this demo game but I think we could have gotten a whole lot worse for an admin.

Im going to get this wording and a sample picture off to him today.

The earliest we will see something at the forums is after 0400 GMT tomorrow. He apparantly works a late shift in Florida.