18-12-2004 23:33									#1
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Over in a C3C thread, the idea of a RaR PBEM came up and a few players seemed entusiastic. I was asked to start a thread/game of it, and here it is. I will be leaving for Christmas things tonight within an hour, but will be back tomorrow. If people who are interested could post so and also any setting preferences they might have that would be useful. Also, please post how familiar you are with RaR mod. IF there is enough demand (say, more than six) this will be split into two games and it would be approporiate to have people of comparable skill and knowledge levels to play together. Hopefully I can get at least one game off the ground tomorrow. BTW, I have limited experience with RaR myself. I dabbled with DyP a bit, and when an RaR PBEM came up a few months ago, I DLed the mod and played a few SP games through the Anciant Age to get an idea of how the early game works, but that's it.

	19-12-2004 12:26									#2
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I'd be interested in this one. I have no experience with the mod other than what was hinted at in the other thread, but I do tend to do well in new circumstances. Is the RaR documented in the civilopedia and somewhat helpful...?

	19-12-2004 19:41									#3
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Yeah, they're work on the civpedia is fairly extensive and accurate AFAIK. You'll need to head over to C&C at CFC to get the mod. Make sure you have the 'PTW Extras' folder, too. If you just bought C3C and not PTW, you may not have it.

	19-12-2004 22:00									#4
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Yep. Sign me up.

I guess I/m pretty familier with RaR as I have played several SP games to their conclusion. The pedia is very extensive, but there are a few things missing. If you have any questions on things, ask me or, even better, go to the CFC thread on this mod and ask the developers. Thats where they seem to post the most.

For me, I always win on Regent, usually win on Monarch and occasionally win on Emperor (this is with standard C3C games). My experience with RaR is I guess extensive (compared with what I've seen posted so far). I am not that experienced in MP/PBEM, with only 2 MP games under my belt and 1 PBEM (although I was highly involved with The Glory of War in the PTW Demo game and the C3C Intersite Demo Game).

Game settings I would like depend on the number of players.

Size: Tiny (4 players)/Small (5 or 6 Players)
Land Type: Random
Climate: Random on all
Difficulty: Regent (those damn barbs are tough enough!)
Barbs: Random
AI: None
Civ choice: Babylon, Korea, Germany, Random (I would prefer all to be random)
Allow all victory types and Cultural conversions. Preserve Random seed and Allow SGLs.

	19-12-2004 22:32									#5
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I'm cool with Random everything (except world size, of course). Difficulty doesn't matter much for MP, but Regent is fine. Definitely no AI. As for rules, I'm pretty sure you're suggesting what I would normally do, which is 'Default Rules' except without CLSL.

	20-12-2004 03:55									#6
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umm..sorry..if I have to modify any files I am out..I thought this may have been a scenario or something already contained within the game

let me know if it is..I have too many games going to wanna screw up any files

Thanks

Gramps "Da Leary One" Troll

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	20-12-2004 05:13									#7
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You don't need to modify any files, just play a scenario.

	20-12-2004 05:57									#8
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ok..will you be (Please!) posting the scenario here?

I believe I am doing this in another game..

I am looking forward

Thanks again for walking me through, I will not be the best just one of the most loyal,dedicated and punctual posters/players here!

Gramps

	20-12-2004 06:47									#9
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Here's the RaR thread at CFC. You just have to visit the download site. It is a relatively large download (which is why you need to go to a specific download site), but it only took me about 5 minutes with a run-of-the-mill high-speed connection. Even 56k should be able to get it in less then 15 minutes, I would think. Savee the file wherever is most convenient and then extract (unzip) into you Conquests/Scenarios folder. If you ever want to try a single player version of the game, just select 'Civ-Content' from the main menu when you open C3C and then select 'RaRV1.00' (or something like that) from the list of scenarios.

	20-12-2004 07:18									#10
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it said we need some additional files, is it true or that for another mod?

Gramps

Here is a cut 'n paste of what I read:

Important: To be able to play RaR, you need the unit animation folders "World War II" and "Medieval Japan". These folders were part of the PtW addon, but are not included in C3C. However, the files are available to download here.

and I have another 3 minutes then it will be d/l on me HD!!


Gramps

	20-12-2004 07:36									#11
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You do need for this mod, but you may already have them. There won't be any harm in getting them, except bandwidth, but if you're getting RaR anyway, I doubt the folders will be anywhere near the size. I think they're up on the Civ3.com site, so they're probably about as big as a patch, if that large.

	20-12-2004 07:40									#12
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ok..i have Cable but guess we got a lot of folks on tonight or on that site..only d/l @ 26 K..per second.. but am playing turns while it does maybe under an hour..
then the other files

18% 21 k per says 1 hour 11 minutes.....

Thanks

Gramps

	20-12-2004 08:00									#13
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Probably a lot of kids off on a vacation, sorry to hear it's taking so long. It is a free server download site, I think, so it's fairly popular with a lot of things.

	20-12-2004 08:03									#14
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47 megs d/l so far 48 minutes left

like 45%

I wonder if this picks up where I leave off should I decide to go nite nite..

long day tommorrow ya know

oh well time will tell

Gramps

	20-12-2004 08:14									#15
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I may be looking for a new game next year..... after the holidays. I have no familiarity with this mod, other that I hear it is a good one.

If it hasn't started by then, I will look it us and sign up if you need some more hands.

	20-12-2004 08:16									#16
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I'd be willing to wait till after the holidays, we're probably not gonna get very far before New Year's regardless.

	20-12-2004 08:18									#17
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umm..I for one can teklll ya this game will have started this week..unless a major reason or I GRANDPA TROLL..will not be here..

I love to play..but for real..will drop a game in a heartbeat if its dead..

No need for me to hang around a corpse of a game..

Peace & cheers

Gramps

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	20-12-2004 08:20									#18
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i wouldnt mind waiting say for a very early start like first of next week..but I have no..zero patience for a thread that takes 2-3 weeks to vote..and counter vote..

I say you host get 2-3 people and lets get it on

	20-12-2004 08:42									#19
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Ok, just clearing up a few things:

Players: GT, me, Donegeal and R2D
World Size: Tiny
Climate/Land Mass/Barbs: Random
Level: Regent
Civs: Random
Default Rules, without CLSL.

Please post your best availabilty time by 11amEST Monday, Dec .20. I will be leaving for work for the day shortly thereafter and will thuis be starting up the game then, unless there is good reason not to. Any availabilty not posted will be placed according to location, East to West.

GK, I will be happy to start a game with you with anyone interested when you're available again.

	20-12-2004 08:46									#20
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and I will also join in as a second to this..

I am anArea Manager in the Ready Mix Concrete Industry..very shaky schedule..so I play PBEM ..I usually am good for once a day..very rarely every other day and on a rare occassion..three days..like this past week..

Usually est 6-7 and up to 10 est

Peace

Gramps

	20-12-2004 09:32									#21
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I might get a turn in around 15 or 16:00 GMT. Mostly available around 2 to 7:00 GMT. That's 10 or 11 AM and 9 to 2AM Eastern.

I prefer playing at higher difficulty to make barbarian battles a bit more honest, but its not that big of a deal.

The only thing that worries me about starting is when someone claims they're committing to play a game for the next year or two, then gets all excited about taking a some extra days to set it up...

	20-12-2004 13:42									#22
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quote: Even 56k should be able to get it in less then 15 minutes, I would think

Make that 15 hours...

Rommel2D: Don't worry about challenging Barbs, they're scrary enough on any level .

I'll be lurking.

	20-12-2004 18:51									#23
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Perhaps I don't know as much about baud as I once thought

I don't know exactly how long it took me, but it wasn't long, and I just have a Bell high-speed connection, and not even the new, expensive with increased bandwidth, etc. I left my computer with 7 minutes in queue, came back ~15 minutes later and it was already done.

	20-12-2004 19:34									#24
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I live in US CST (or is it now CDT?), but I work third shift wihich means that I tend to play at abou the same time as people in Germany.

So....
1400 GMT to about 1600 GMT. Then again when I wake up at 0000 GMT to 0500 GMT.

	20-12-2004 20:03									#25
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OK, so if I'm not mistaken, the best order would be:
PB: 10-11AM EST
GT: 6-7PM EST
R2D: 9PM EST
Donegeal: 9-10AM EST

I have an hour till I leave, so speak now or forever hold your peace

Oh, and we need to co-ordinate barbs. Is anyone currently using 'NoAIPatrol=0'?

	20-12-2004 20:37									#26
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I believe that you need to mod a file for that right?

Default is "NoAIPatrol=1", correct?

Well, currently, I'm using the default...whatever that is.

	20-12-2004 20:40									#27
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Game started, I think we can resolve the 'NoAIPatrol' thing later. I don't have GT's e-mail, so I'll just post it here for now.

I'm at:

punkbass TA gmail TOD com

	20-12-2004 20:42									#28
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IIRC, the last player (Donegeal) decides the barbs in PBEM, so it will be standard C3C. Someone please correct, as I'm not particularly sure.

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	20-12-2004 22:41									#29
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BTW, my addy is my name without caps at yahoo dot com

	21-12-2004 10:37									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Donegeal I believe that you need to mod a file for that right? Default is "NoAIPatrol=1", correct? Well, currently, I'm using the default...whatever that is.

Yep, you determine the setting for the game. '1' is the C3C default, but most consider this to be broken. The default is '0' with PTW, which is why everyone complained that C3C barbarians were buggy. There is no reason to have this flag set at '1' unless you have a slow processor and SP turns take too long...

This is in the .ini file, BTW.