20-12-2004 00:46									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor I feared your country's history was awfully too short if you didn't have one of the real nasties.

What comes to mind is that Harding, Buchanan, and Grant were probably worse than Bush in the incompetence department, and Adams was much worse in the despotism department (the Alien and Sedition Acts put the Patriot Act to shame), and the pretenses for Polk's war were even flimsier than the pretenses for the Iraq war, etc., but the thing is that none of them was president of a superpower.

	20-12-2004 00:48									#32
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Well, who else was there to name? Viktor Yanukovich?

Actually, what about Yessir Arafat?

	20-12-2004 00:49									#33
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quote: It's Imran's time of the month

	20-12-2004 01:03									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy And let me guess. . . You'll be the one that pulls the trigger! Shame on you!

Did anyone say anything about a gun? Oh wait, YOU did! SS, SIC 'EM!

	20-12-2004 01:11									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy http://www.biblegateway.com/passage...1&context=verse Peace.

There is no son of God:
He begets not, nor he is begotten, and there is none like unto him." (Koran 112:3)

"Jesus is like Adam in the sight of Allah. he created him of dust and then said to him: 'Be,' and he was." (Koran 3:55, 58)


America must be destroyed:
"Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme." (Koran 8:37)

	20-12-2004 01:14									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi

AHAHAHAHA IMRAN IS SUCH A GURLY MAN.

	20-12-2004 02:11									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui They also named Hitler Person of the Year back in the 30's As they say, it is only for the one that has most impact, not for the 'greatest'.

OMG THATS TEH ORIGINAL PHUNNY111!!!1!11!!!!

	20-12-2004 02:12									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Bush isn't incompetent nor is he a liar.

Keep saying it and maybe enough gullible people will believe you - but Apolyton seems to be lacking in enough gullibles for you

quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Damn eurocoms.. don't know anything. You people.. you ruined your own countries and now you want to try to ruin America.

Exactly how have we ruined our countries?
And how exactly are we trying to do the same to america?

quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo At least we aren't the ones doing business with Saddam.

What like when the US provided him with vital satellite intelligence on Iran back in the 1980's?

The US has always dealt with nasty regimes if it can make a profit, try reading up on history sometime.

	20-12-2004 02:15									#39
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EL freako.. el dumbo. You are the one guillible by falling into the left wing spin machine. You mismanage your economies.. the French, Germans and Russians have done deals with Saddam after the 1991 Gulf war when sanctions were imposed.. you were bribed billions. In fact I'm going to make one more charge, I believe peace activist groups were bribed by Saddam Hussein.

BTW, I can back myself up. Tarqiq Aziz named a bunch of people his boss Saddam bribed.

	20-12-2004 02:18									#40
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6729467/

From the way I see it.. you guys on the left are probably involved with this corruption.

"U.S. officials say Aziz already has implicated the French and others, claiming payoffs were made with the understanding that recipients would support Iraq on key matters before the U.N.

"He pointed to specific individuals in Russia and France, in the United States — that received favorable treatment," says David Kay.

Now, sources tell NBC News that Aziz has indicated he's finally ready to talk about alleged bribes to U.N. officials. U.N. investigators refuse to comment."

	20-12-2004 02:25									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo EL freako.. el dumbo.

Aha, name-calling. How childish - try using facts in future, I know you are unused to doing it but trying to shout people down and calling them names doesn't do much for your credability now does it child?

quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo You mismanage your economies.

How exactly?

Our incomes have still risen, relative to the US, over the last decade.
Our employment has grown much faster, relative to our working-age-population.
Productivity growth has been a bit faster than in the US.
We have not relied on foreign central banks to finance our consumption.

Come on, please supply some evidence (look up the term if you're unfamilliar with it)

	20-12-2004 02:27									#42
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quote: Originally posted by el freako How exactly? Our incomes have still risen, relative to the US, over the last decade. Our employment has grown much faster, relative to our working-age-population. Productivity growth has been a bit faster than in the US. We have not relied on foreign central banks to finance our consumption. Come on, please supply some evidence (look up the term if you're unfamilliar with it)

You must look at the current day situation. The US has less unemployment then most of the nations in the EU. The US economy is stronger. And you're a fool.

	20-12-2004 02:33									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Stefu Time's declaration of 'Person of the Year' has about as much weight as British music media's various predictions that the American guitar rock band du jour will SAVE ROCK MUSIC! at least until the next candidate steps forward. Why are people still paying attention to it?

Sortof like People's "Sexiest Man Alive" who always happens to be some actor.


Plus, everyone Ted Striker is TEH Sexiest Man Alive. DUH.

	20-12-2004 02:46									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo You must look at the current day situation. The US has less unemployment then most of the nations in the EU. The US economy is stronger.

So, the unemployment rate is more important than average income growth, productivity growth, employment growth and the health of international and public finances then?
That seems a rather narrow definition of economic prosperity to me. (it would also mean that Mexico was more prosperous than America by your definition)

You also have to ask yourself how much of the difference in unemployment rates (which are anyways only the difference between two much larger numbers - those employed and the workforce) have been flattered in the US's favor by the rapid workforce growth in europe and the very sluggish growth of the workforce in the US.

Why has the US has seen only a 1.7% rise in employment over the last 4 years compared to the EU15's 2.9%
And why the US's workforce grew 0.7% slower than it's population whilst the EU15's grew 1.6% faster.

The reason, of course, is that the EU's labour market has been improving much more rapidly than the US's.

quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo The US economy is stronger.

Just saying it doesn't make it so Giancarlo.

quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo And you're a fool.

Heh, more insults - one wonders when you are going to grow up.

	20-12-2004 04:52									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Don't compare Bush to Hitler. What happened to you anyways? You slid off to the left wing lately...

yeah, I miss the conservative Imran.

Next thing you know, he won't like Reagan anymore.

	20-12-2004 04:53									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Don't compare Bush to Hitler. Sorry... I'll apologize to Hitler's estate PS, you don't have to be left wing to realize Bush is the worst President that the United States has EVER had.

I heard some of the presidents in the 19th century were bad. Grant being one of them.

	20-12-2004 05:11									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo In fact I'm going to make one more charge, I believe peace activist groups were bribed by Saddam Hussein.

What!?! Are you telling me I missed out on a bribe!!!!

	20-12-2004 05:15									#48
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quote: Originally posted by el freako Heh, more insults - one wonders when you are going to grow up.

Fezcarlo grow up? That'll happen slightly after Bush becomes Grand Ayatollah.

	20-12-2004 05:16									#49
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Wait, so sometime in January?

	20-12-2004 05:18									#50
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara What!?! Are you telling me I missed out on a bribe!!!!

Damn, same here

We Commies really suck when it comes to money, it seems

	20-12-2004 05:21									#51
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IIRC, Gadafi paid one of the Brit Trot cults (Gerry Healy's group) money on info about Lybian commie exiles. Many of them turned up dead.

	20-12-2004 05:28									#52
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When it comes to violating basic civil liberties, Bush has nothing on Woodrow Wilson.

	20-12-2004 05:31									#53
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quote: IIRC, Gadafi paid one of the Brit Trot cults (Gerry Healy's group) money on info about Lybian commie exiles. Many of them turned up dead.

Trot cults have a surprising propensity at exercizing greed in its most outrageous forms.

I guess that's because they want to make capitalism look as bad as possible.

	20-12-2004 06:07									#54
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quote: Originally posted by el freako So, the unemployment rate is more important than average income growth, productivity growth, employment growth and the health of international and public finances then? That seems a rather narrow definition of economic prosperity to me. (it would also mean that Mexico was more prosperous than America by your definition)

The US has been better then the EU. I never claimed anything about the unemployment rate being more important then anything else, el dumbo. All I said it was lower in the US, whereas it is sometimes in the double digits in certain countries in the EU. Average income growth has not been good in the EU, nor has productivity growth or employment growth.

quote: Why has the US has seen only a 1.7% rise in employment over the last 4 years compared to the EU15's 2.9% And why the US's workforce grew 0.7% slower than it's population whilst the EU15's grew 1.6% faster.

I'd like to see some links backing this up. Additionally, many countries in the EU, the largest ones, are sliding into recession. Additionally, I think you are skewing statistics.

quote: The reason, of course, is that the EU's labour market has been improving much more rapidly than the US's.

No, it hasn't. In fact unemployment has gone up in nations like France and Germany.

You need to grow up and use your damn brain.

	20-12-2004 06:16									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I heard some of the presidents in the 19th century were bad. Grant being one of them.

Grant was just incompetant. That's merely one of Bush's failings.

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Btw, I do love Giancarlo telling el freako, who has a degree in economics, that he needs to grow up!

	20-12-2004 06:47									#56
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A couple of newer studies are showing Grant was actually a good President, but that most of the historical writings that show him as a bad President all derive from a single source written about the man.


And no I don't have the source, I can't remember where I read or saw this.

	20-12-2004 06:48									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi

Nuclear

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	20-12-2004 06:50									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Grant was just incompetant. That's merely one of Bush's failings. -- Btw, I do love Giancarlo telling el freako, who has a degree in economics, that he needs to grow up!

as bad as Bush is, I can't say he's incompetant- except in one area (war). Well maybe 2 areas- you have to include economics as well .

His other policies aren't incomeptant. Although some of them are religiuosly motivated which I disagree with.

	20-12-2004 06:52									#59
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I, for one, am glad Time named him Person of the Year. Genreally speaking, in the year following getting named PotY, something bad happens to him or her. President Cheney! Say IT!

Sweet lord no.

	20-12-2004 06:52									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Lord Nuclear Nuclear Ted Striker

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