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st cloud USA
Jan 1970
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Originally posted by Ming
One might argue that you owe it to all the people who have spent their lives paying into this worthless system.
To stop it now would be a total screw job to all of us who have been supporting previous generations with our contributions. Are you basically saying that all the people who are paying into the system now should be shafted? |
I prefer a shafting wherein peeps get a percentage of their ss payments equivalent to the percentage of their working career that they were paying the payroll taxes.
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chegitz guevara
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:16
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According to someone on the Diane Rheem Show last week, SS could continue going the way it is now until 205x without requiring major changes. Sure, in the next decade or so, they'll have to start drawing from the general fund, but that doesn't mean that SS will be insolvent.
BTW, SS payments rise to match the growth in wages, not inflation. Since wages don't keep pace with inflation, we're lowering payments on the sly.
Medicare is the real nightmare, not SS.
The system could be restored to a surplus in the future by making it needs based, not payment based. We could also remove the wage cap, or, much better, abolish the payroll taxes altogether and increase income taxes proportionately.
SS works. We are we trying to dismantle it?
Medicare is broken now. Why aren't we trying to fix it.?
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Berzerker
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topeka, kansas,USA
May 1999
time: 23:16
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So you admit that libertarianism is completely heartless? |
If you'll admit liberalism is completely brainless. If we can agree on these, I'd sooner listen to the "heartless" halfwit than the brainless liberal...
Btw, freedom is not heartless and I don't think history is replete with free and heartless societies, it tends to be the authoritarian regimes that produce this heartlessness, i.e., the absence of freedom. Of course this doesn't phase liberals since the autocrats they seek to run our lives are liberals and once we are ruled over by "benevolent dictators", all will be right with the world.
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But Mike, the market will miraculously make everyone well off and healthy, just like Victorian Britain did. |
Victorian Britain was the result of a caste system, not a free market.
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No one is poor because of taxes, plenty of people are not hungry thanks to taxes. |
People have lost their property holdings because of taxes on supposedly private property. It wasn't uncommon for the poor to be driven off their property after politicians hit them with property taxes they couldn't afford, so unless you think being evicted made these people richer, you don't know how silly that sounds. More people have starved as a result of government policies than the lack thereof...
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You have seen a return on investment. You've been able to live in a society in which the elderly live longer, healthier, more fundamentally decent lives. That's not money in your pocket, but it is your contribution to making your nation and your world a more civilized place -- and that contribution has paid off nicely. |
Welfare systems tend to break families apart. SS made it much easier for children to leave the folks somewhere else and welfare programs replace fathers with bureaucrats. When social conservatives point out that out-of-wedlock births are escalating because of welfare, the few liberals who try to respond claim out-of-wedlock births are increasing throughout the 1st world. Well duh, they have welfare states too.
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