22-12-2004 10:46									#1
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Started with a wheat and two luxuries in the city radius. Not bad. I sent my warrior out to a goody hut. Free settler. First tech I researched sprung a scientific leader. My warriors continued, finding two more luxuries quite near. Then I got Philosophy first, granting me a free tech, and a second scientific leader before I had even decided what to do with the first one.

	22-12-2004 10:48									#2
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Clearly it is Sid that loves you, not God.

Once I got something like fourteen (!!!) SGL's in one game.

	22-12-2004 11:55									#3
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Party hard Jaguar

	22-12-2004 12:18									#4
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It also means game over.

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I am not sure which is more depressing the game Jaguar is having or the 14 SGL's. *vmxa presses face to window to see how the others live the good life *

	22-12-2004 13:01									#6
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What's and SGL? What is a science leader? Is it a "Conquests" thing? I only have reg Civ III.

	22-12-2004 15:12									#7
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SGL is science leader. And yes AFAIK, it's Conquests thing. It's similar to a great leader you sometimes gain from having an elite unit winning a victory but you get it from researching a tech.

	22-12-2004 23:09									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Twelve Motion What's and SGL? What is a science leader? Is it a "Conquests" thing? I only have reg Civ III.

SGL's are only in Conquest add on. They can be used to rush great wonders or increase research for a time. In Conquest the MGL (military great leader) cannot rush great wonders.

Basically they split some of the capabilities from the MGL and gave them to the SGL (scientific great leader).

	22-12-2004 23:21									#9
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{Which was Arrian's fault}

	22-12-2004 23:44									#10
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Yeees, he'll burn in Civ Hell for this.

	22-12-2004 23:55									#11
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The one time I was pretty lucky was when I got 3 or 4 SGL in a row, with the Japanese. And I was begining the Industrial Age. On that game I had a total of 6 or 7 SGL's. It pretty much meant game over.

On the darker side, ultimately I have SGL's only when I research Robotics or other such tech - when even a SGA seems kinda waste.

	23-12-2004 00:19									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Theseus {Which was Arrian's fault}

	25-12-2004 06:49									#13
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Awesome Jaguar!!! That rocks.

	25-12-2004 20:34									#14
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Kuciwalker: Arrian pretty much walked 'poly towards the Dark Side in terms of builders learning to warmonger to harvest GLs. He didn't do it on purpose... But Firaxis had to respond.

	27-12-2004 22:27									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar Started with a wheat and two luxuries in the city radius. Not bad. I sent my warrior out to a goody hut. Free settler. First tech I researched sprung a scientific leader. My warriors continued, finding two more luxuries quite near. Then I got Philosophy first, granting me a free tech, and a second scientific leader before I had even decided what to do with the first one.

That's sick.

	27-12-2004 23:20									#16
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I have never had more than 2 SGL's. most of the time I get a very small number of MGL, even when I start warmongering

	01-01-2005 13:19									#17
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Hey, I play on regent, and compared to you all, probably suck, but I have even managed to get 2 military leaders in a game. Never mind the fact that I had only 10 cities. Never mind the fact I was the weakest civ. Never mind the fact that 4 civs declared war on me. Never mind the fact that I ended with at total of 9, that's right, 9 units (with ten bases). Never mind the fact 6 of those units were freaking ICBMs. Man, I was really wanting to use those. But being in war since the medieval ages under a democracy? Man I needed peace real bad, but not bad enough to miss the chance to nuke somebody...I bombed everybody. So what if they all killed me the next turn. I just hit the load button and did it again, and again, and again...man that was fun...

	02-01-2005 05:33									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Clearly it is Sid that loves you, not God. Once I got something like fourteen (!!!) SGL's in one game.

Sid is god.

	02-01-2005 11:59									#19
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So if god really loves you, then why does he have you sitting on your butt like a lazy bum playing civ3 rather than in the middle of Africa doing mission work?

	02-01-2005 16:01									#20
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He loves Jag too much to want to have him eaten by the cannibal heathens.

	03-01-2005 00:05									#21
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Speaking as luck with SGLs, in my current game I got a SGL for researching Philosophy (which meant I was the first, hence the free tech), decided to plump for Lit and get the Great Library. Later the same game, I get a second SGL for researching electricity, ready and waiting for scientific method and ToE! I thought that was some snazzy timing.
Incidently (going cross-threads here - something which we were told not to do in Ghostbusters, but I guess I'm naughty, which could explain my lack of Xmas pressies), that was the first proper game I played using Agr. as a trait. I was unconvinced by it, but after reading the poll, I thought I'd try. Moved myself a level down, just to be safe, seems I didn't have to, easy as pie.